The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[susan]

Morning Grahame  seem to think steve has made statements very similar he was always saying Jeremy hated farming,

[grahameb]

Morning Grahame  seem to think steve has made statements very similar he was always saying Jeremy hated farming,

This is how a lot of those who hate Jeremy operate I'm afraid. If you say something often enough and long enough people begin to accept it as fact, whether it is or it isn't. A lot of these stories about Jeremy have come about over time and are not really checked out by those who say them. I really am astonished by the gullibility of some. First rule of choosing books: (1) Check out the writer and his/her background first. Then (2) check out the source of their information. After that (3) investigate the information itself.

[Adam]

Because he read it somewhere.

I did read it somewhere. Perhaps on this forum, or another forum, or in an internet article, or in the book I read (which has got the best reviews), or in the UK Justice site, or heard it on Youtube.

I like to get lots of information from different sources. Both for and against.

Susan will be the first to admit she gets everything from this site.

[susan]

Adam I do get the little knowledge I have from people on this site who have been posting for years and from Mike who has a wealth of information on the Jeremy Bamber case.  I have been active on the forum for nearly two years so I know where to get my information from and what to avoid.  Have never read a book but will be reading Mason Doyle's book as it will be based on fact not hearsay with all the latest information that has become available lately.

[Adam]

Going back to the phones.

It is much more likely that Jeremy would attack Neville in the kitchen. Both phones were in the kitchen. Jeremy had to stop Neville making a phone call & identifying him.

If Sheila was planning to commit suicide, there is no reason to stop Neville making a call. By the time the police arrive, everyone would be dead.

[Adam]

The phone issue was important enough to be discussed in court. The two scenarios are -

Both phones were in that location beforehand.

Jeremy took the kitchen phone off the hook upon entry, disabling all phones. Afterwards he took the bedroom phone downstairs & plugged it in. This would explain why Neville was in the kitchen. He was phoning Jeremy. Not sure why the working kitchen phone was unplugged & under a pile of newspapers.

There is no reason for Sheila to move the phones.

[lookout]

Going back to the phones.

It is much more likely that Jeremy would attack Neville in the kitchen. Both phones were in the kitchen. Jeremy had to stop Neville making a phone call & identifying him.

If Sheila was planning to commit suicide, there is no reason to stop Neville making a call. By the time the police arrive, everyone would be dead.

That being the case,Jeremy didn't,or hadn't bothered to do any wiping,etc after himself. The table where the phone was with someones bloodied fingers,,the rifle,,the silencer. He did NOT retrace his steps,.,so he wasn't the murderer,as murderers always leave clues behind,no matter what. Even a droplet of sweat,fibres from clothing,all manner of clues,,but nothing.
To make matters worse anyway,no time of death was ever recorded,,no scrapings from under the fingernails taken and countless other unrecorded omissions.

[Jane]

The phone issue was important enough to be discussed in court. The two scenarios are -

Both phones were in that location beforehand.

Jeremy took the kitchen phone off the hook upon entry, disabling all phones. Afterwards he took the bedroom phone downstairs & plugged it in. This would explain why Neville was in the kitchen. He was phoning Jeremy. Not sure why the working kitchen phone was unplugged & under a pile of newspapers.

There is no reason for Sheila to move the phones.

Farmhouse kitchens are notoriously untidy as they are usually the main junction for all through traffic. All who move through it tend to spread things around in it and that's without the presence of 2 small boys with their treasures.

[susan]

Adam  I am totally lost with your post on phones will think about it and get back to you

[susan]

Adam  I was under the impression that Ralph Bamber made two phone calls

[susan]

Adam why would Jeremy take the upstairs phone downstairs it was already there the kitchen phone was under a pile of newspapers and had been for ages.

[grahameb]

The phone issue was important enough to be discussed in court. The two scenarios are -

Both phones were in that location beforehand.

Jeremy took the kitchen phone off the hook upon entry, disabling all phones. Afterwards he took the bedroom phone downstairs & plugged it in. This would explain why Neville was in the kitchen. He was phoning Jeremy. Not sure why the working kitchen phone was unplugged & under a pile of newspapers.

There is no reason for Sheila to move the phones.

That of course is speculation. If that could have been proven forensically then it would have been stated in court. Which of course it wasn't. Nothing could forensically attach these things to Jeremy. That is why people must needs speculate and such speculation must by definition be false.

[Adam]

Adam  I was under the impression that Ralph Bamber made two phone calls

No one from Essex police have ever said they received a phone call from Neville Bamber. Jeremy only claimed this several years later when he saw a police phone log & claimed it was saying Neville phoned.

Only Jeremy is saying he received a call from Neville. There is no evidence to confirm this. Even if there was evidence, it could be Jeremy phoning his cottage from WHF.

The only thing we know for sure is Jeremy phoned Mugford. Witness statements in court suggest this was several minutes before he phoned the police. Jeremy in his interview transcripts is unsure what call he made first. Intially saying he phoned Mugford first but eventually saying he phoned her after phoning the police.

[Adam]

That of course is speculation. If that could have been proven forensically then it would have been stated in court. Which of course it wasn't. Nothing could forensically attach these things to Jeremy. That is why people must needs speculate and such speculation must by definition be false.

Yes it is speculation. Based on fact of where & how Neville was found,  together with the phone locations. All this was discussed in court. Circumstantial evidence ?

Jeremys fingerprints will be all over the kitchen. He was a regular visiter. What forensic evidence should there be ?
 

[Adam]

Adam why would Jeremy take the upstairs phone downstairs it was already there the kitchen phone was under a pile of newspapers and had been for ages.

Where did you get this information ? The five members in the house that night are dead. The trial brought up the phone location.

There had been storms two months earlier. But surely Neville & June would have put the working bedroom phone back in the bedroom by now.  At 61, neither of them would want to be running up & down the stairs of a big house to make & receive calls.