The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[grahameb]

There are striking similarities in both cases as regards denial. Whether or not Hanratty was actually a clinical psychopath will probably never be known, what we do know is that the DNA found at the crime scene matched his,  and therefore there is a extremely high probability that Hanratty is a murderer and a rapist. I believe the rape may be the cause of Hanratty's reluctance to admit to the crime, rather than the murder.  Who knows?

Bamber I believe, denies it persistently for several reasons. First and foremost he is aware that an admission of any sort would, almost certainly condemn him to a whole life tariff with virtually no hope of a retrial, Denial, however, affords Bamber the possibility - at least in theory - that his case may be referred to the Court of Appeal and he could be released, even on a technicality.

Secondly, Bamber's overbearing arrogance. This well-documented and clearly obnoxious side to Bamber's personality, I believe played and continues to play a huge part in his reluctance to admit that he is responsible for this heinous crime. Put simply, he simply cannot admit to himself and others that he is a cowardly murderer who ambushed 5 defenseless people one man , two women and two children.

Lastly I believe that Bamber has portrayed himself - as narcissistic psychopaths often do - in the role of the victim. In was not him who committed the murders but his sister. Everyone else is lying. His relatives are trying to frame him. The police are out to get him. Anyone but him. This is one of the key traits of a psychopath - Denial and then shifting the blame. Psychopaths are adept at this.

However, there is one last aspect to why I think Bamber persistently denies responsibility and readers may find this somewhat strange; Bamber has such total contempt for those people that he so brutally murdered, that he feels they are unworthy of his imprisonment for their murder. He feels it is highly unjust that a man such as himself should spend any time at all incarcerated just because of them. In effect Bamber may feel a sense of injustice not for the fact that he is serving time for murder, but because the people that he murdered are unworthy of the time he is serving. They were nothing to him and therefore any punishment thats is administered should follow suit. To any right-thinking individual it sounds extremely strange. However, to a narcissistic psychopath this type of thinking makes perfect sense.

On the other hand it may be the actions of an innocent man who has been incarcerated unjustly for 28 years?

[Adam]

A lot of people were taken in by Hanratty. Even when the DNA matched his people said the DNA was contaminated. However the only DNA found was Hanratty's.

[grahameb]

A lot of people were taken in by Hanratty. Even when the DNA matched his people said the DNA was contaminated. However the only DNA found was Hanratty's.

Wasn't this back in the 60's? I didn't think that DNA testing was in operation til the late 80's?

[susan]

Hello Adam  no views really on the post not written by you can see nothing at all to compare with Jeremy Bamber.  Sorry.

[HMEssex]

Interesting post above, not written by me.

What is everyones views ?

What post wasn't written by you?

[Adam]

The last paragraph is interesting.

It is no secret that Bamber hated his family. He also resented Sheila's subsidised living in London,  together with the twins who were set to inherited as much as Bamber. Perhaps more, Mary Mugford testified that Bamber said June was thinking about changing her wills.

Neville & June were old, June insane. Sheila was a nutter. Why should these people stop me getting what I want ? Now it is a case of why should these inferior people be keeping me jail ?

[Jane]

What post wasn't written by you?

Think the post being referred to was Steve's

[susan]

Grahame you are right as usual just Googled it and it was in the eighties.  Sorry Adam.

[Adam]

Wasn't this back in the 60's? I didn't think that DNA testing was in operation til the late 80's?

They kept some of the crime scene evidence. Then dug up the body when DNA testing became possible.

[HMEssex]

Think the post being referred to was Steve's

Say no more! 

[Adam]

What post wasn't written by you?

Previous page.

[susan]

Adam now I know why you want me to post up my scenario of the murders carried out at WHF by Sheila so you can copy it.Ha Ha

[Adam]

There are striking similarities in both cases as regards denial. Whether or not Hanratty was actually a clinical psychopath will probably never be known, what we do know is that the DNA found at the crime scene matched his,  and therefore there is a extremely high probability that Hanratty is a murderer and a rapist. I believe the rape may be the cause of Hanratty's reluctance to admit to the crime, rather than the murder.  Who knows?

Bamber I believe, denies it persistently for several reasons. First and foremost he is aware that an admission of any sort would, almost certainly condemn him to a whole life tariff with virtually no hope of a retrial, Denial, however, affords Bamber the possibility - at least in theory - that his case may be referred to the Court of Appeal and he could be released, even on a technicality.

Secondly, Bamber's overbearing arrogance. This well-documented and clearly obnoxious side to Bamber's personality, I believe played and continues to play a huge part in his reluctance to admit that he is responsible for this heinous crime. Put simply, he simply cannot admit to himself and others that he is a cowardly murderer who ambushed 5 defenseless people one man , two women and two children.

Lastly I believe that Bamber has portrayed himself - as narcissistic psychopaths often do - in the role of the victim. In was not him who committed the murders but his sister. Everyone else is lying. His relatives are trying to frame him. The police are out to get him. Anyone but him. This is one of the key traits of a psychopath - Denial and then shifting the blame. Psychopaths are adept at this.

However, there is one last aspect to why I think Bamber persistently denies responsibility and readers may find this somewhat strange; Bamber has such total contempt for those people that he so brutally murdered, that he feels they are unworthy of his imprisonment for their murder. He feels it is highly unjust that a man such as himself should spend any time at all incarcerated just because of them. In effect Bamber may feel a sense of injustice not for the fact that he is serving time for murder, but because the people that he murdered are unworthy of the time he is serving. They were nothing to him and therefore any punishment thats is administered should follow suit. To any right-thinking individual it sounds extremely strange. However, to a narcissistic psychopath this type of thinking makes perfect sense.

This quote HMEssex.

[HMEssex]

This cannot be true. Because when she was asked before the trial if she had made a deal with any newspaper she replied that she had not and did not intend making any deal. One week after the trial. In fact in next Sunday's NOTW the article appeared. Not only that but I believe in the first appeal she was again asked when the deal was made, she replied that she could not remember. I cannot believe that such a deal could be struck and signed for so soon after the trial complete with sexy pictures. I think she was a liar.

She is/was a liar!

Facts speak for themselves!

Liar, Liar, pants on fire 

[susan]

Adam I don't think that paragraph was interesting think it is just speculation by steve uk which he is very good at.  June and Ralph Bamber were not old and who said June was going to change her will Julie's Mother where did she get this information from Julie of course.  So you think Jeremy is protesting his innocence because he thinks we are inferior to him.  You need to get back on track with your research this stuff will take you nowhere,