The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[grahameb]

Grahame Julie could have been sent to prison for her criminal activities quite serious crimes not just like doing a bit of  petty theft.

Precisely. Can you see what has happened here? So much evidence was withheld, photographic and other stuff which was possibly in favour of Jeremy. Yet all circumstantial and prosecution evidence had been made to remain. Thus giving a lop-sided view of what really happened. Taff Jones' notebook could have contained evidence that has been written out of the case by the prosecution lawyers and Essex police? Whatever has happened to it, it still means that we do not have the whole story.

[lookout]

Quite a turnaround. Another nifty move on the part of those in the know, the law unto themselves.
 Do as I say not as I do.
Stick a uniform on anyone and watch them change !!

[grahameb]

The  hoops the Defence must now jump through to show Sheila's guilt evince a feeling of desperation which has not been manifest since my time on this forum at least. We now have a girl whose last words to Auntie Pam betrayed no malevoence whatsoever but only her customary weariness as she prepared for bed in an environment which admittedly she did not feel at home,yet now we have Sheila deciding to kill all there and then and changing into her nightie after the slaughter for the only reason it suits the Defence's scenario so to do.  It still does not explain why there is no blood spatter from the first shot in the kitchen(to humour the Defence for a moment)when she moves upstairs apparently out of view of Police at the scene.

The press deal has been discussed many times here but to recapitulate: Julie was hounded with reporters at her place of work and home and consulted a solicitor as how best to get rid of them. A deal was arranged whereby Julie would be left alone were she to agree to a deal which was to be signed after the trial,not before as has been alleged. A similar deal was available to Jeremy conditional on acquittal,along with Anji Greaves waiting in a suite at a Park Lane hotel with champagne in an ice bucket and a banner reading "Faith,Truth,Justice..Welcome Home Jeremy". Of course as it turned out Jeremy was heading not for the Hilton but Wormwood Scrubs,but the intention to profit out of the five murders was there. Of course as soon as the guilty verdict came through the Press pack dispersed along with Anji herself.

You are correct on that one Steve. They are made to jump through so many hoops because of the amount of evidence that has been withheld and/or destroyed by Essex police.

[Alias]

No comment.

[grahameb]

She must have been incredibly thick to pose for a picture like that Alias. What on earth has posing for a sexy picture to do with sleeping with a beast?
"I was under his spell" said Julie. LOL

[lookout]

She must have been incredibly thick to pose for a picture like that Alias. What on earth has posing for a sexy picture to do with sleeping with a beast?
"I was under his spell" said Julie. LOL

Under his body more like !

[Alias]

She must have been incredibly thick to pose for a picture like that Alias. What on earth has posing for a sexy picture to do with sleeping with a beast?
"I was under his spell" said Julie. LOL

There was clearly something wrong with her - seriously wrong!

[grahameb]

Those who believe her testimony must have the brains of a bird? That article appeared in the NOTW immediately after the guilty verdict. And she said that not only that she didn't make a deal with any newspaper when asked by the prosecution counsel. But had no intention of doing so. That should have been grounds for an appeal right there. Why was the verdict not challenged there and then. She should have been charged with perjury.
Remember Jeremy was found guilty on her testimony which she made on oath.

[lookout]

There was clearly something wrong with her - seriously wrong!

Yes,,I'd say so too,Alias. Radically wrong.

[Reader]

. . . "Bobby Boutflower" by Mary Boutflour!, of which there is only one vol. available world-wide, . . . No Library in this country has this particular biography for ref or loan.

The British Library seems to have it.

. . . they disapproved of their daughters' lifestyle. Underage sex which is classed as statutory rape, . . .

How is "classed as statutory rape" relevant? It's presumably not the girl who commits that crime.

[susan]

Morning Grahame

I found so much of Julie's behaviour strange to say the least.  She said Jeremy had been planning the murders for about a year yet when Jeremy phoned her and said something wrong at the farm she was very dissmissive and told him to go back to bed like she did.  Now had Jeremy told her he was planning to murder his family alarm bells would have starting ringing in her head so loud she could not have gone back to sleep. She shared Jeremy's bed then went and identified the little twins in the mortuary and when she came out she needed a fag and asked rather macabre questions.  Then she carried on as normal sleeping with this monster and escorting him everywhere he very kindly gave her a cheque for £300/400 towards her holiday to Malta once the cheque had been cleared she started to talk because by this time Jeremy had chosen another over her.  I am not saying his behaviour was impeccable it was not but this did not make him a murderer.  Julie should have been charged for her own misdemeanours we all know she committed them or she should have been charged as an accessory to murder.  But to actually be rewarded for her testimony to the tune of £25.000 and have criminal charges against her dropped is unbelievable and this type of action brings the Criminal Justice System into disrepute big time infact the handling of this own case of WHF murders has done this by the actions of EP.

[susan]

Morning lookout

Julie was an attention seeking control freak.  When Jeremy made it obvious he no longer wished a relationship with her she behaved like a spoilt child and her behaviour developed into a mode of self preservation and greed. The £25.000 would have come in useful for her flat in London.  Hope she can sleep at nights knowing she was partly responsible for sending an innocent young man to prison for a crime he did not commit. Notice she is not too keen now on giving press interviews wonder why. Inspite of her behaviour I have never read where Jeremy has said one wrong word about her he must be a very forgiving person.

[lookout]

Morning lookout

Julie was an attention seeking control freak.  When Jeremy made it obvious he no longer wished a relationship with her she behaved like a spoilt child and her behaviour developed into a mode of self preservation and greed. The £25.000 would have come in useful for her flat in London.  Hope she can sleep at nights knowing she was partly responsible for sending an innocent young man to prison for a crime he did not commit. Notice she is not too keen now on giving press interviews wonder why. Inspite of her behaviour I have never read where Jeremy has said one wrong word about her he must be a very forgiving person.

Morning Susan.
May I first of all say that you've been doing some really good posts which I've enjoyed reading.

No wonder Jeremy dropped JM,,she was a madam and probably led Jeremy a dogs life at times. I saw nothing wrong in Jeremy wanting to spread his wings,as a young man,he wasn't tied in any way and he was under no obligation to her. I very much doubt that things would have fared very well if Jeremy had married JM.
If JM has any sort of a conscience over this,she too would have been deep in thought suffering her own sentence of guilt at what she'd caused. Deep down, I would not have enjoyed life the same at all,as in quieter moments,I'd be reflecting on what I could have done to save Jeremy from spending a lifetime in prison,,knowing I could have prevented it,,but she chose money over a life.
I personally think that the " deal " she had,had been well discussed and that's what spurred her on,,especially on her visit to the mortuary,as with money in mind,you can face anything.
 

[susan]

lookout thank you for your kind words much appreciated.  I enjoyed your posts especially about the White Smoke thought that was so so funny.  Julie as I see her was a hard calculating scheming young womanwho had her siights set on becoming the next Mrs Bamber at WHF she would have loved that role.  When she knew that was not to be she went down another road with no thought for anyone other than herself even to pose outside the Court like she did any normal human being would have been so sad at the events that had brought this Court case about 5 people lost their lives and yet all she could think of was her picture in the paper and having the attention and thinking of her £25.000 what a hard individual she must be.

[lookout]

Susan,,she was driven by greed and had that terrible trait called being possessive,which in turn causes jealousy.What a good job Jeremy realised this before the relationship went any further,the sign being " attempted " suffocation with a pillow. What a harridan.
For all the wrong these people have done against Jeremy,,he still maintains dignity and diplomacy in never flying off the handle with anger,at the thought,because anyone else would be forever seething.He's probably realised that negativity eats at your mind and body,so has chosen to remain fit and sound of mind,which takes some doing.
Nobody,but nobody " fights the good fight " for this length of time,and I hope that changes in the legal aid system and also the suppression of information doesn't mar his chances of an appeal leading to freedom and exoneration.