The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[susan]

Adam my view and is only my view Sheila was not wearing the nightie when she shot her family she had a shower and changed into the nightie which I suspect belonged to her Mother.  I have never heard that Sheila was anorexic. was it in the book you read.

[susan]

Grahame thought the milk thistle had been shown off enough Patti thought it was a Yorkshire Rose anyway and she is a Yorkshire gal.

[Adam]

Adam my view and is only my view Sheila was not wearing the nightie when she shot her family she had a shower and changed into the nightie which I suspect belonged to her Mother.  I have never heard that Sheila was anorexic. was it in the book you read.

You are giving me little snippets of you're scenario. You tease.

[grahameb]

Adam my view and is only my view Sheila was not wearing the nightie when she shot her family she had a shower and changed into the nightie which I suspect belonged to her Mother.  I have never heard that Sheila was anorexic. was it in the book you read.

Sheila was not anorexic. Honestly the rubbish that get thrown around.

[susan]

Adam I thought you would enjoy my scenario in wee snippets this way I can keep your interest and you will not get bored with my posts.

[Adam]

Adam I thought you would enjoy my scenario in wee snippets this way I can keep your interest and you will not get bored with my posts.

Ok. Try to do it in order. Otherwise I will get confused.

[susan]

Adam you confused NEVER

[Alias]

Mugford went to the police. The first thing she confessed to was the caravan burglary.

I appreciate supporters have to believe Mugford is lying. Otherwise Jeremy is automatically guilty. I just find it hard to believe she would do all this due to apparently being jilted.

Personally I believe her main motive was to avoid prosecution for her crimes. She made a deal with the EP. Drug deaing, cheque fraud and burglary - not just petty crimes. + she saw the 25.000 dangling in front of her by a guilty verdict. She had quite a lot to gain, really!

[Jan]

Adam my view and is only my view Sheila was not wearing the nightie when she shot her family she had a shower and changed into the nightie which I suspect belonged to her Mother.  I have never heard that Sheila was anorexic. was it in the book you read.

So do you think she was moving around in the house and carrying this "cleaning" whilst the police were outside ?  But that all the fatal shots had been completed between the time of the phone calls and the police arriving? The trouble is because we do not have the " original " police file I suppose we do not know if the police heard any shots at all ? ( the reason they did not go in to try and help those poor children)

[susan]

jansus what cleaning are you referring to the clothes she was wearing before she changed into the nightie.  Two buckets of clothes were steeping in the kitchen we will never know what the clothes consisted of will we as they were destroyed.I don't know if the police heard shots I suspect they did not hear shots as a rifle is not very loud and at some stage a silencer would be fitted to the rifle IMO and would have been taken away from the scene by the police.  Certainly not the silencer found in the cupboard later by the relatives.  The police were well back from the building and quite sometime elapsed before they stormed the building as they waited for back up from armed officers.

[Jan]

jansus what cleaning are you referring to the clothes she was wearing before she changed into the nightie.  Two buckets of clothes were steeping in the kitchen we will never know what the clothes consisted of will we as they were destroyed.I don't know if the police heard shots I suspect they did not hear shots as a rifle is not very loud and at some stage a silencer would be fitted to the rifle IMO and would have been taken away from the scene by the police.  Certainly not the silencer found in the cupboard later by the relatives.  The police were well back from the building and quite sometime elapsed before they stormed the building as they waited for back up from armed officers.

I was just wondering that if she changed clothes she may have done some sort of "ritual cleaning " to herself at the same time? It was mentioned at one time that he shower head was found in a strange position. Also I was thinking if she was battling with Religious / voices etc type of episode that even washing her hands may have been  symbolic.

[susan]

jansus not sure about all this ritual washing but it has been said but of course we are only speculating it is often said that this type of cleansing does occur in cases like this the shower head was I read hanging down off the clip at the top quite often females put it in this position to rinse their hair I do myself but always replace afterwards.

[grahameb]

Personally I believe her main motive was to avoid prosecution for her crimes. She made a deal with the EP. Drug deaing, cheque fraud and burglary - not just petty crimes. + she saw the 25.000 dangling in front of her by a guilty verdict. She had quite a lot to gain, really!

Certainly if she was charged with those crimes it would have meant an end to her career before she'd even started. So it was a big incentive for her not to have a criminal record and turn prosecution witness. In my opinion she should never have been let to take the stand simply for those reason alone. Let alone any deal with a newspaper.

[susan]

Grahame Julie could have been sent to prison for her criminal activities quite serious crimes not just like doing a bit of  petty theft.

[Steve_uk]

The  hoops the Defence must now jump through to show Sheila's guilt evince a feeling of desperation which has not been manifest since my time on this forum at least. We now have a girl whose last words to Auntie Pam betrayed no malevoence whatsoever but only her customary weariness as she prepared for bed in an environment where admittedly she did not feel at home,yet now we have Sheila deciding to kill all there and then and changing into her nightie after the slaughter for the only reason it suits the Defence's scenario so to do.  It still does not explain why there is no blood spatter from the first shot in the kitchen(to humour the Defence for a moment)when she moves upstairs apparently out of view of Police at the scene.

The press deal has been discussed many times here but to recapitulate: Julie was hounded with reporters at her place of work and home and consulted a solicitor as how best to get rid of them. A deal was arranged whereby Julie would be left alone were she to agree to a deal which was to be signed after the trial,not before as has been alleged. A similar deal was available to Jeremy conditional on acquittal,along with Anji Greaves waiting in a suite at a Park Lane hotel with champagne in an ice bucket and a banner reading "Faith,Truth,Justice..Welcome Home Jeremy". Of course as it turned out Jeremy was heading not for the Hilton but Wormwood Scrubs,but the intention to profit out of the five murders was there. Of course as soon as the guilty verdict came through the Press pack dispersed along with Anji herself.