The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[lookout]

Isn't Crimes Hearts and Coronets the website of Ian Stephens? I'm sure Martin told us this? That man is more than a "guilter"...he is a hater and one very unsavoury troll indeed! He firmly believes JB to be a psychopath. Obviously JB has done an excellent job at hiding it for 28 years!

Yes,Ian Stephens the peddler of poison.Reminds me of Tony Bennett the equally poisonous solicitor who spread lies about the McCanns and even had leaflets printed to spread around the Leicester area damning and accusing the McCanns. Odious characters.
Amaral and his crew were corrupt,there's no disputing that.

[maggie]

Yes,Ian Stephens the peddler of poison.Reminds me of Tony Bennett the equally poisonous solicitor who spread lies about the McCanns and even had leaflets printed to spread around the Leicester area damning and accusing the McCanns. Odious characters.
Amaral and his crew were corrupt,there's no disputing that.

Ahhh!!  Ian Stephens, Daniel Day, Sir Simeon, wonder what other names he uses??

[grahameb]

Ahhh!!  Ian Stephens, Daniel Day, Sir Simeon, wonder what other names he uses??

Plonkerboy?

[maggie]

Get dressed, go out of her flat, find a payphone, call. Not go to bed!

Of course Alias, how could she sleep with that knowledge?  It's very hard to believe imo.  Some things really are a matter of life and death and that certainly was. 

[maggie]

Plonkerboy?

not sure if he's used that one yet Grahame 

[susan]

tyler/lookout  just imagine Adam told me to go to that awful site to research the case.  Good thing I don't take the slightest bit of notice of him and know he is very much Jeremy guilty and has never had an opem mind since he joined the forum again.   Adam and I have met before

[Steve_uk]

Wrong. I talked about how nons need to resort to making Sheila into a sleeping zombie just waiting to be "led" to her death to make their scenarios work. I have a huge problem with that bit in particular!

I don't see why,since that's exactly the state she was in induced by Haloperidol for the weeks preceding the murders.

[Steve_uk]

Unconvincing because he had nothing to tell. How on earth can anyone,whose faced with a barage of questions,be expected to answer,when they know nothing of what happened that night ?
The bike stayed put,,and for all we know,Neville may have been in the process of securing the rifle knowing that the twins were staying there.
He phoned JM because she was his only contact,as after all,,his relatives weren't exactly supportive at any time,even before the tragedy,they hated him like poison.
If Jeremy had committed the murders,,why did he bother ringing the police anyway ? Why not just turn over and forget about it ? A psychopath would have done,,and it's been well established that Jeremy isn't sick in the head/mind.He hasn't even shown signs of violence in prison.

How did the brown,yellowish mud get on a ladies' bicycle lookout? Which lady rode it through mud and where in the vicinity did she take her bath? The telephone calls(three in total to Julie,one to Police and one from the kitchen telephone at the White House to his own answerphone at Goldhanger) are symptomatic of a man on tenterhooks(and central nervous system stimulants) and if you think he went to bed at all that night to be woken by a telephone call you are in my opinion mistaken.

[Alias]

I don't see why,since that's exactly the state she was in induced by Haloperidol for the weeks preceding the murders.

How many times do we have to repeat this: Sheila´s Haloperidol dose was HALVED the last time she got it. It is extremely DANGEROUS, there are numerous examples of people having their Haloperidol dose dramatically cut down COMMITTING VIOLENT ACTS, INCLUDING MURDER. Besides, Sheila was due another dose, she was running VERY LOW ON HER MEDICATION.

[susan]

steve uk  you have been on the forum long enough now to know the bike was forensically tested.  End of.

[Steve_uk]

I'm afraid all that sounds very unconvincing to me. Ralph was not found by the phone. If he was found by the phone Jeremy would have rectified it. Why did he have to explain anything? He could have just pleaded ignorance. Also if he did it he would have made sure he was not the first at the farm in the morning.

Even more reason to suspect that Nevill never reached a telephone that morning. Jeremy's personality explains why he had to get in on the act: a solitary,neglected boy who had no sense of where he belonged in life except a vague notion of being in the monied classes which sustained him throughout his teenage years,suddenly grasping his opportunity to put eveything behind him,causing a commotion and becoming the centre of attention therefrom,playing the part of a heartbroken son when expedient until the time when memories faded and Jeremy could resume the playboy lifestyle.

[Steve_uk]

If he had done the crime why would he then phone Muggy? It doesn't make sense. Any of it doesn't make sense. If he was planning to do the perfect murder as is suggested then rule number one is told tell anybody. The actions of a clever man? Or a foolish man? A guilty man? Or an innocent man?

He thought he had done enough to tie her in as an accessory. And how Jeremy had ill entreated her,Julie feeling the guilt for both of them. Jeremy sensed a problem with Julie and made up the hitman story,a ludicrous allegation to make if Julie wanted her statement to be credible before Police. One thing the Jeremy supporters must accept even if they insist on his innocence:those five victims meant nothing emotionally to him as he cleared up after his parents,stealing the video recorder from Nevill,placing his booty into piles and tossing the twins' handful of possessions at Maida Vale into a black plastic bin bag.

[Adam]

Get dressed, go out of her flat, find a payphone, call. Not go to bed!

We all make mistakes.

Mugford was clear what Jeremy said in that 3am phone call. Jeremys interview transcript says 'no comment' when Jeremy was asked about it.

[Adam]

tyler/lookout  just imagine Adam told me to go to that awful site to research the case.  Good thing I don't take the slightest bit of notice of him and know he is very much Jeremy guilty and has never had an opem mind since he joined the forum again.   Adam and I have met before

When you do you're online research, you will find articles are either for or against Jeremy. Best read both sides like I have done.

[nugnug]

theres something a bit strange here.

a statement of no comment couldn't be legally recorded by the police in those days.