The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[grahameb]

To what exactly? I´ll go along and pretend I believe her. She said that Jeremy had been planning those murders for close to a year. She knew all about it, she even provided sleeping pills for him to sedate his family, then burn the house down.
Why didn´t she warn the family if she knew? Why wasn´t she prosecuted for this (or for any of her other crimes for that matter). Why weren´t the relatives demanding that Mugford be prosecuted for NOT warning the family of imminent danger? Wouldn´t you have?

Taff Jones didn't believe her. He suspected she was lying. Then enter the boneheads Bewes and Miller.

[Adam]

To what exactly? I´ll go along and pretend I believe her. She said that Jeremy had been planning those murders for close to a year. She knew all about it, she even provided sleeping pills for him to sedate his family, then burn the house down.
Why didn´t she warn the family if she knew? Why wasn´t she prosecuted for this (or for any of her other crimes for that matter). Why weren´t the relatives demanding that Mugford be prosecuted for NOT warning the family of imminent danger? Wouldn´t you have?

Mugford said in her statements that she did not beleive and did not want to beleive Jeremy. She was also 'under his spell'. Would anyone beleive her anyway ? A TV interview after the trial, Mugford said Jeremy liked to say things to shock people.

[Adam]

Talking of lies. All this 'dad' & 'idilic farm life' Jeremy has been going about recently.

Why doesn't he just say he hated farm life & his family. Several witnesses have said Jeremy said exactly that to them several times.  Are they all lying ?

Jeremy should say 'Yes I did hate my family & farm life. Does that make me the killer' ?


OJ said at his civil hearing that he 'would never wear those shoes'. Magazine pictures showed he did used to have those shoes. Jurers said he should have just said 'yes I did have those shoes. Does that make me the killer' ?

[Patti]

Talking of lies. All this 'dad' & 'idilic farm life' Jeremy has been going about recently.

Why doesn't he just say he hated farm life & his family. Several witnesses have said Jeremy said exactly that to them several times.  Are they all lying ?

Jeremy should say 'Yes I did hate my family & farm life. Does that make me the killer' ?


OJ said at his civil hearing that he 'would never wear those shoes'. Magazine pictures showed he did used to have those shoes. Jurers said he should have just said 'yes I did have those shoes. Does that make me the killer' ?

Adam you will find that those that knew him well from the pub and others who had dated him say he never shut up talking about farming.  I do not think anyone is lying, but they might stretch the truth somewhat.....Things like this happen, when there is a media frenzy....

[grahameb]

Talking of lies. All this 'dad' & 'idilic farm life' Jeremy has been going about recently.

Why doesn't he just say he hated farm life & his family. Several witnesses have said Jeremy said exactly that to them several times.  Are they all lying ?

'Yes I did hate my family & farm life. Does that make me the killer' ?


OJ said at his civil hearing that he 'would never wear those shoes'. Magazine pictures showed he did used to have those shoes. Jurers said he should have just said 'yes I did have those shoes. Does that make me the killer' ?

He is probably just reminiscing? Life on the farm was not as idillic as some would have you believe. You just have to read what Collin Caffell said about it to see that. I liked Colin's book. But found it rather haunting at times. Jeremy was a bit rebellious and seemed to put some people's backs up. He was no angel and neither was Sheila according to some. But Campion found him quite pleasant to talk to and very knowlegeable about tractors.

[Alias]

Mugford said in her statements that she did not beleive and did not want to beleive Jeremy. She was also 'under his spell'. Would anyone beleive her anyway ? A TV interview after the trial, Mugford said Jeremy liked to say things to shock people.

You know what, I am not buying this! "under his spell" my arse! Five people DEAD, she could have WARNED them and SAVED them - if what she says is true, that is. Why didn´t the relatives want her held responsible, why have they never talked about this?
Jeremy, again according to her, called her on the evening of the murders and said: tonight´s the night. What does Julie say she did: She sighed with relief that he had finally decided not to commit the murders. HOW does this make any sense at all?

[Adam]

You know what, I am not buying this! "under his spell" my arse! Five people DEAD, she could have WARNED them and SAVED them - if what she says is true, that is. Why didn´t the relatives want her held responsible, why have they never talked about this?
Jeremy, again according to her, called her on the evening of the murders and said: tonight´s the night. What does Julie say she did: She sighed with relief that he had finally decided not to commit the murders. HOW does this make any sense at all?

He did phone Mugford at around 10. That is not disputed. Mugford is clear what he said. Jeremy in his interview transcripts not so clear. Mugford thought he was not serious.

Jeremy had been asking Colin Caffel when Sheila & the children were staying. 'It's now or never' sounds beleivable.

Phoning Mugford at 3am looks a lot worse.

[Alias]

He did phone Mugford at around 10. That is not disputed. Mugford is clear what he said. Jeremy in his interview transcripts not so clear. Mugford thought he was not serious.

Jeremy had been asking Colin Caffel when Sheila & the children were staying. 'It's now or never' sounds beleivable.

Phoning Mugford at 3am looks a lot worse.

I don´t think you read my post thoroughly.

[tyler]

Isn't Crimes Hearts and Coronets the website of Ian Stephens? I'm sure Martin told us this? That man is more than a "guilter"...he is a hater and one very unsavoury troll indeed! He firmly believes JB to be a psychopath. Obviously JB has done an excellent job at hiding it for 28 years!

[Adam]

You know what, I am not buying this! "under his spell" my arse! Five people DEAD, she could have WARNED them and SAVED them - if what she says is true, that is. Why didn´t the relatives want her held responsible, why have they never talked about this?
Jeremy, again according to her, called her on the evening of the murders and said: tonight´s the night. What does Julie say she did: She sighed with relief that he had finally decided not to commit the murders. HOW does this make any sense at all?

Thought Mugford told him to not be stupid & go back to bed.

The relatives think the same as me. They believe that Mugford thought Jeremy was not serious.

[Alias]

Thought Mugford told him to not be stupid & go back to bed.

The relatives think the same as me. They believe that Mugford thought Jeremy was not serious.

No, she said that when he called later in the night - allegedly after the murders.
So the relatives (and you) think that even after the murders, Julie did not think Jeremy was serious? He had been talking about this for a year, calling her to tell her that he was going to do it tonight, even calling her after the fact to say it was done.
You really have to excuse her every step of the way. What about the sleeping pills she left at Jeremy´s home after he had talked about, well, giving his family.... sleeping pills, then burn the house down. How much can you excuse Muggie? Unbelievable, really!

[Adam]

No, she said that when he called later in the night - allegedly after the murders.
So the relatives (and you) think that even after the murders, Julie did not think Jeremy was serious? He had been talking about this for a year, calling her to tell her that he was going to do it tonight, even calling her after the fact to say it was done.
You really have to excuse her every step of the way. What about the sleeping pills she left at Jeremy´s home after he had talked about, well, giving his family.... sleeping pills, then burn the house down. How much can you excuse Muggie? Unbelievable, really!

Oh the 3am phone call when Jeremy said 'everything is going well'.

Mugford was half asleep. She testified that after putting the phone down it started to sink in what may have happened. She could not phone back as her phone was only there for incoming calls.

[Alias]

Oh the 3am phone call when Jeremy said 'everything is going well'.

Mugford was half asleep. She testified that after putting the phone down it started to sink in what may have happened. She could not phone back as her phone was only there for incoming calls.

Oh, so she went back to bed then....

[Adam]

She said she went back to bed but could not sleep.

What could she do from London ?

[Alias]

She said she went back to bed but could not sleep.

What could she do from London ?

Get dressed, go out of her flat, find a payphone, call. Not go to bed!