The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[tyler]

Me too Alias. And also,Adams "scenario" doesn't take into account the sighting at the window,the one male and female (murder and suicide) found on entry,the gun found downstairs with red paint on its barrel (for which EP originally took paint samples from the aga for) and the fact that a silencer (exhibit SBJ/1 was found at the scene. Any "scenario" requires these FACTS to be taken into account. 

[Alias]

Hi Adam Morning Susan/all

It does not matter that she said that and he said the other.  What we/you have to establish is what forensic science has to offer.

1, There are no witnesses

2, There are no fibers or fingerprints that belong to Jeremy in any of the bedrooms.

3, The rifle was not wiped clean

4, There were no fingerprints belonging to Jeremy on the windows

5, The SOCO's did 3 extensive examinations of the downstairs windows and it was third examination that they noticed a catch had marks on it.  On the 28th of October RWC took the catch from the window. On the 31st Of October Elliot and his team told the COA that he took the same catch. RWC/8 How is that possible?

6, The pushbike was examined and no evidence was recovered from it.

7, Wetsuits were examined and no forensic evidence was recovered.

8, Jeremy was convicted because the judge at trial told the jury that the blood in the silencer belonged to Sheila.  New forensic science says there is not a match to Sheila inside the silencer and the COA excepted this.

9, The only evidence portrayed by those that think he is guilty is based on what it written in books, newspapers and other forms of media related news.

10, It does not matter that Jeremy was arrogant, selfish or disliked his family. One needs to place him at a crime scene.

11, The facts are that when someone takes their own life with a gun/rifle the shots are mainly under the chin....any pathologist would agree that this would be more likely.

12,  I don't believe that everyone lied in order to convict Jeremy, discrepancies yes.  However I am suspicious of one officer and one witness.

13, I find it incredible that two officers took paint samples from underneath the AGA placed a yellow sticker on it and did not notice the scratch marks at the side of the sticker.

14, I also find it dishonest to alter to statements to the point where an officer tells the witness not to mention it in court or it will cause problems.

15, I find inconceivable that one officer took a pair of black canvas shoes from a crime scene and told a witness not to say anything. 

16, The hand swabs were rejected by the lab because they arrived with guns. The swabs were resubmitted, but there is no evidence to support the fact that new swabs had been taken, so this evidence alone is unsafe because of cross contamination. 

17, I get a little grumpy when people say that the police were treating it as a murder/suicide because this is their excuse for not following procedures at crime scene correctly.

18, No matter how you look at it, Julie only came forward when her relationship with Bamber was over.

19, One officer attended the bank with two girls when he was off duty. Gross misconduct.

20, These are just a few facts....So is there any concrete evidence based on forensic science that placed Jeremy at the crime scene? 

 

Absolutely brilliant, Patti!

[susan]

Hello Patti  brilliant post you deserve a barrel for that.  Hope Adam reads it and has a think about some of his theories.  Maybe share your beer think Barnsley is quite near to you

[Patti]

Oi you two don't make me blush lol 

[Adam]

That is incorrect actually. Defence wanted to put JM on the stand to question her over her NOTW deal but as the defence did not have the contract to hand,the judge would not allow them to cross examine her. Defence offered to go get the contract,but the judge refused and therefore the defence were unable to question her on the issue.
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Was that at the appeal hearing ? The defence should have got their act together. It was their appeal so they had enough time.

The NOTW would have experience in knowing when someone should sign a deal. Mugford signed after conviction. It was a high profile case. She would have been hounded by the press. Signing a deal is perhaps a good idea.

[Adam]

Hello Patti  brilliant post you deserve a barrel for that.  Hope Adam reads it and has a think about some of his theories.  Maybe share your beer think Barnsley is quite near to you

I did respond.

[Adam]

Me too Alias. And also,Adams "scenario" doesn't take into account the sighting at the window,the one male and female (murder and suicide) found on entry,the gun found downstairs with red paint on its barrel (for which EP originally took paint samples from the aga for) and the fact that a silencer (exhibit SBJ/1 was found at the scene. Any "scenario" requires these FACTS to be taken into account.

I disagree & have already discussed the one male, one female log.

The window sighting/trick of the light is nothing to do with my scenario period from first shot to last.

Gun found downstairs ?

[Alias]

That is incorrect actually. Defence wanted to put JM on the stand to question her over her NOTW deal but as the defence did not have the contract to hand,the judge would not allow them to cross examine her. Defence offered to go get the contract,but the judge refused and therefore the defence were unable to question her on the issue.
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Was that at the appeal hearing ? The defence should have got their act together. It was their appeal so they had enough time.

The NOTW would have experience in knowing when someone should sign a deal. Mugford signed after conviction. It was a high profile case. She would have been hounded by the press. Signing a deal is perhaps a good idea.

A good idea? Was it also a good idea to pose suggestively on the back of a tragedy involving little children?

[Adam]

That is incorrect actually. Defence wanted to put JM on the stand to question her over her NOTW deal but as the defence did not have the contract to hand,the judge would not allow them to cross examine her. Defence offered to go get the contract,but the judge refused and therefore the defence were unable to question her on the issue.

Was that at the appeal hearing ?  It was Jeremys appeal. They should have got their act together.

Mugford signed after conviction. Why not sign ?,  she was going to be pestered by the press.

[susan]

Alias  I posted this very point to Adam yesterday Julie posing and smiling outside the Court when the love of her life had just be sent to prison for life and the £25.000 she knew she was going to receive did she not think that 5 lives had been lost two of them wee children for her to obtain this money.  Has she no shame whatsover must be as hard as nails.

[Adam]

Jeremy was keen to tell anyone that would listen how he hated his family. Mary Mugford ( Julies mother) testified this as previously mentioned.

James Richards, a friend of Mugford, but not of Jeremy also testified this. ' I fucking hate my parents' he told him. Three times !  Richards testified that it sounded like Jeremy meant it !


I can imagine Jeremy boasting to Julie about what he had done. Before he was under suspiscion he also boasted to Rimmington 'I am the only person who knows what happened that night'.

[Adam]

Alias  I posted this very point to Adam yesterday Julie posing and smiling outside the Court when the love of her life had just be sent to prison for life and the £25.000 she knew she was going to receive did she not think that 5 lives had been lost two of them wee children for her to obtain this money.  Has she no shame whatsover must be as hard as nails.

Love of her life ? They had split up months earlier.

She did think of the twins. Believing that the right person should be behind bars. She approached the police.

[Alias]

Jeremy was keen to tell anyone that would listen how he hated his family. Mary Mugford ( Julies mother) testified this as previously mentioned.

James Richards, a friend of Mugford, but not of Jeremy also testified this. ' I fucking hate my parents' he told him. Three times !  Richards testified that it sounded like Jeremy meant it !


I can imagine Jeremy boasting to Julie about what he had done. Before he was under suspiscion he also boasted to Rimmington 'I am the only person who knows what happened that night'.

You can repeat this till the cows come home, it is not evidence of anything.

[Adam]

You can repeat this till the cows come home, it is not evidence of anything.

It is witness evidence. Before forensics people would be convicted on witnesses & cicumstantial evidence.

Jeremy had witness evidence against him & 'a mountain of circumstantial evidence' according to the judge.

Juries will be influenced.

[Alias]

It is witness evidence. Before forensics people would be convicted on witnesses & cicumstantial evidence.

Jeremy had witness evidence against him & 'a mountain of circumstantial evidence' according to the judge.

Juries will be influenced.

That "mountain" consisting of Julie Mugford´s dodgy testimony, which the judge warned the jury about - and the tampered with, in today´s world inadmissable silencer evidence. What else does this "mountain" consist of?