The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Patti]

Good to have an good debate.

Do you think Jeremy is innocent or that there were procedural mistakes ( deliberate or not ) by the police & in court, so should be released ?

Mistakes happen all the time, but in this case in my opinion there were far too many.  In all fairness to Essex police they had not come across this situation before. No proper procedures were carried out at the time, unlike today of course.  In a nutshell they messed up bigtime.

It does not matter to me whether a person is guilty or not, its the evidence and facts that are important and in this case it lacks good forensic evidence, yet we have a conviction out it which I believe to be unsafe.   

[Adam]

Mistakes happen all the time, but in this case in my opinion there were far too many.  In all fairness to Essex police they had not come across this situation before. No proper procedures were carried out at the time, unlike today of course.  In a nutshell they messed up bigtime.

It does not matter to me whether a person is guilty or not, its the evidence and facts that are important and in this case it lacks good forensic evidence, yet we have a conviction out it which I believe to be unsafe.   

Seems to me that Jeremy is accusing the EP, Mugford & his relatives of lying. Surely they have not all been lying for the last 28 years.

[lookout]

Misled from the beginning until it was fixated in their brains,in other words,brainwashed to believe that Jeremy carried out the murders.
EP had to justify their work in the force because they were already being held over a barrel with the Diane Jones murder prior to this one,,where the police failed miserably in their investigations to find her killer. That case was re-opened this year,but they're probably no further on.
Officers jobs were on the line over this murder,and so as the years have gone by,most will have retired anyway and been secure in knowing that their pensions were intact.

On Mikes' thread,Jeremy was under surveillance,so the police knew where he was on the night of the murders. At home,,and that was midnight,,the time when he was supposed to have committed the murders.

[Patti]

Seems to me that Jeremy is accusing the EP, Mugford & his relatives of lying. Surely they have not all been lying for the last 28 years.

Not much Jeremy can say or do really is there? Its the evidence that is disputed and it has nothing to do with what anyone says in all fairness.   

[nugnug]

Seems to me that Jeremy is accusing the EP, Mugford & his relatives of lying. Surely they have not all been lying for the last 28 years.

well they all had very good very good reasons to lie.

the relatives have been proven tgo have lied.

[grahameb]

Seems to me that Jeremy is accusing the EP, Mugford & his relatives of lying. Surely they have not all been lying for the last 28 years.

All have a vested interest in this case. The relatives because of the inheritance and the fact that tyey hate Jeremy and have done since before the murders. Mugford because if she owned up to the fact that she lied on oath she would be gaoled. And the police in that they had retained certain evidence under PII and need to retain their pentions and the appearance of integrity.

[Adam]

Misled from the beginning until it was fixated in their brains,in other words,brainwashed to believe that Jeremy carried out the murders.
EP had to justify their work in the force because they were already being held over a barrel with the Diane Jones murder prior to this one,,where the police failed miserably in their investigations to find her killer. That case was re-opened this year,but they're probably no further on.
Officers jobs were on the line over this murder,and so as the years have gone by,most will have retired anyway and been secure in knowing that their pensions were intact.

Jeremy was under survil

On Mikes' thread,Jeremy was under surveillance,so the police knew where he was on the night of the murders. At home,,and that was midnight,,the time when he was supposed to have committed the murders.

Jeremy was under surveillance on the night of the murders ? Must be because he was a big drugs baron, which I only found out yesterday. Together with the fact he brought the bike to his house just before the murders because Julie had a part time job & wanted to cycle to the station. How sweet.

[Patti]

Jeremy was under surveillance on the night of the murders ? Must be because he was a big drugs baron, which I only found out yesterday. Together with the fact he brought the bike to his house just before the murders because Julie had a part time job & wanted to cycle to the station. How sweet.

Where have you got that from lol 

[nugnug]

if he was under survelance at the time how did he manage to commit the murders then why wasnt he stoped.

[grahameb]

Where have you got that from lol 

He got the first bit from me. What I said was that Jeremy was under surveilance at the time (Operation Stokenchurch) because certain drugs were going missing from  WHF and being transported to Scotland. He wasn't a drugs baron. But I suspect he was involved in such transactions at the time?

[grahameb]

if he was under survelance at the time how did he manage to commit the murders then why wasnt he stoped.

There are a lot of things that haven't been revealed nugnug. Because special branch were involved in operation stokenchurch. So I suspect his phone was bugged?

[Patti]

He got the first bit from me. What I said was that Jeremy was under surveilance at the time (Operation Stokenchurch) because certain drugs were going missing from  WHF and being transported to Scotland. He wasn't a drugs baron. But I suspect he was involved in such transactions at the time?

Hi Grahame Hope you are well.  I know he was on surveillance after the murders, but never he was on the night of the murders....I think I do remember him being questioned about drugs before the murders took place.....

[grahameb]

Hi Grahame Hope you are well.  I know he was on surveillance after the murders, but never he was on the night of the murders....I think I do remember him being questioned about drugs before the murders took place.....

Yes Patti. I didn't say he was under surveilance on the night of the murders.

[Adam]

Where have you got that from lol 

Cannot remember who gave me the bike information.

Jeremy was very cagey regarding the bike in the interview transcripts.  He said he brought it over for Julie. He did not mention anything about Julie cycling to the station.

[lookout]

All have a vested interest in this case. The relatives because of the inheritance and the fact that tyey hate Jeremy and have done since before the murders. Mugford because if she owned up to the fact that she lied on oath she would be gaoled. And the police in that they had retained certain evidence under PII and need to retain their pentions and the appearance of integrity.

The difference being,that if there'd been no money in the kitty,,neither would there have been relatives.
Great,isn't it ? Pity the jury hadn't been told the full truth about who the beneficiaries would have been.