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Offline Adam

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« Reply #645 on: December 08, 2013, 09:06:AM »
You can always read the mountain of evidence online.

Witness statements, interview transcripts, court appeal summaries (dozen of pages), articles ( dozens) wiki pedia, Youtube etc etc. I have. And did I mention have also read a book.

Going by one forum is narrow minded.

Type R V Jeremy Bamber.

It is the 2002 appeal court summary. Written by judges I assume. 

It has 522 points !
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« Reply #646 on: December 08, 2013, 09:08:AM »
Adam  thanks for the advice I am off now to do some research on line as you suggested. Campion said RW's book is being offered for sale between £30 and £80 what would I get for a penny these days. Indeed the days of saying I need to spend a penny are gone and it would be I need to spend 50p ;D

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« Reply #647 on: December 08, 2013, 09:11:AM »
Adam not a good sign talking to yourself even I don't do that ;D ;D ;D ;D If people ignore you rise above it as I do but you seem to get alot of attention ;D

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« Reply #648 on: December 08, 2013, 09:13:AM »
Adam  thanks for the advice I am off now to do some research on line as you suggested. Campion said RW's book is being offered for sale between £30 and £80 what would I get for a penny these days. Indeed the days of saying I need to spend a penny are gone and it would be I need to spend 50p ;D

Good. There is loads of information & opinions. Both for and against Jeremy.

Strange that I got the book so cheaply. I got it recently as well. Less than 6 months ago. It is in good condition considering it has ten library stamps on !
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« Reply #649 on: December 08, 2013, 09:20:AM »


Doesn't mean to say that they appeared just on the night of the murders though.Not forgetting that the hacksaw had been lying on the ground for a long time prior to being found.

I have no doubt that Jeremy would not use the hack saw on the night. Much too noisey. However he may have used it days or weeks beforehand. To ensure entry at a later date would be easy & quiet.

Jeremy said himself he knew how to get into the house through windows - opportunity ?
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« Reply #650 on: December 08, 2013, 09:22:AM »
Type R V Jeremy Bamber.

It is the 2002 appeal court summary. Written by judges I assume. 

It has 522 points !



These judges need to move on..Those old fogies are stuck in a rut of past paperwork,copying what was already there in parrot fashion,so it's high time that things were revised and brought up to date,particularly in this case where so much more evidence is now available.
A case of this enormity would take more than 19 days today,as every possible avenue would be explored and the investigation would certainly be conducted differently.

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« Reply #651 on: December 08, 2013, 09:26:AM »


These judges need to move on..Those old fogies are stuck in a rut of past paperwork,copying what was already there in parrot fashion,so it's high time that things were revised and brought up to date,particularly in this case where so much more evidence is now available.
A case of this enormity would take more than 19 days today,as every possible avenue would be explored and the investigation would certainly be conducted differently.

They can only respond when Jeremy & his lawyers request. Which was in 2002.

They looked at the case in great detail - 522 points.
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« Reply #652 on: December 08, 2013, 09:27:AM »
Adam nobody has suggested Jeremy used the hackshaw in the way a hacksaw is meant to be used.  Do you actually know what a hacksaw is not chain saw type implement.  It was suggested he prised the window open with the help of a hacksaw.  Bet you are not a DIY man.  More Googling for you today ;D

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« Reply #653 on: December 08, 2013, 09:29:AM »
Adam nobody has suggested Jeremy used the hackshaw in the way a hacksaw is meant to be used.  Do you actually know what a hacksaw is not chain saw type implement.  It was suggested he prised the window open with the help of a hacksaw.  Bet you are not a DIY man.  More Googling for you today ;D

The marks on the bathroom window, matched the hacksaw. Said in court.
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« Reply #654 on: December 08, 2013, 09:36:AM »
Adam stop being on the defensive I did not say they did not match any marks.  I said a hacksaw would not be noisy.  You speak to Patti about marks on windows she is the expert. Catcha later off to Tesco.

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« Reply #655 on: December 08, 2013, 09:38:AM »
Adam stop being on the defensive I did not say they did not match any marks.  I said a hacksaw would not be noisy.  You speak to Patti about marks on windows she is the expert. Catcha later off to Tesco.

As I said earlier on this page. Jeremy would not use the hacksaw on the night.
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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #656 on: December 08, 2013, 09:47:AM »
The marks on the bathroom window, matched the hacksaw. Said in court.




From previous years perhaps,,but not on the night of the murders. Besides,,Jeremy wasn't the only one who entered this way.

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #657 on: December 08, 2013, 09:51:AM »
Hi Adam :) Morning Susan/all

It does not matter that she said that and he said the other.  What we/you have to establish is what forensic science has to offer.

1, There are no witnesses

2, There are no fibers or fingerprints that belong to Jeremy in any of the bedrooms.

3, The rifle was not wiped clean

4, There were no fingerprints belonging to Jeremy on the windows

5, The SOCO's did 3 extensive examinations of the downstairs windows and it was third examination that they noticed a catch had marks on it.  On the 28th of October RWC took the catch from the window. On the 31st Of October Elliot and his team told the COA that he took the same catch. RWC/8 How is that possible?

6, The pushbike was examined and no evidence was recovered from it.

7, Wetsuits were examined and no forensic evidence was recovered.

8, Jeremy was convicted because the judge at trial told the jury that the blood in the silencer belonged to Sheila.  New forensic science says there is not a match to Sheila inside the silencer and the COA excepted this.

9, The only evidence portrayed by those that think he is guilty is based on what it written in books, newspapers and other forms of media related news.

10, It does not matter that Jeremy was arrogant, selfish or disliked his family. One needs to place him at a crime scene.

11, The facts are that when someone takes their own life with a gun/rifle the shots are mainly under the chin....any pathologist would agree that this would be more likely.

12,  I don't believe that everyone lied in order to convict Jeremy, discrepancies yes.  However I am suspicious of one officer and one witness.

13, I find it incredible that two officers took paint samples from underneath the AGA placed a yellow sticker on it and did not notice the scratch marks at the side of the sticker.

14, I also find it dishonest to alter to statements to the point where an officer tells the witness not to mention it in court or it will cause problems.

15, I find inconceivable that one officer took a pair of black canvas shoes from a crime scene and told a witness not to say anything. 

16, The hand swabs were rejected by the lab because they arrived with guns. The swabs were resubmitted, but there is no evidence to support the fact that new swabs had been taken, so this evidence alone is unsafe because of cross contamination. 

17, I get a little grumpy when people say that the police were treating it as a murder/suicide because this is their excuse for not following procedures at crime scene correctly.

18, No matter how you look at it, Julie only came forward when her relationship with Bamber was over.

19, One officer attended the bank with two girls when he was off duty. Gross misconduct.

20, These are just a few facts....So is there any concrete evidence based on forensic science that placed Jeremy at the crime scene? 

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« Reply #658 on: December 08, 2013, 10:00:AM »
LOVELY Patti, many, MANY thanks for succinctly pulling us back from the clutches of those who, despite their claims of openmindedness, clearly seem only to want to put across their own preconceived ideas based more on fiction than fact. xxx

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« Reply #659 on: December 08, 2013, 10:02:AM »
Well if that won't shut Adam up for five minutes,nothing will.Bravo,Patti. ;D