The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Adam]

And if it was Sheila they ask, "How could she be so animated and do all these things with all the family running helter and skelter." But if it was Jeremy, "everyone seems compliant and he suddenly becomes superman" If it was Sheila Ralph is a strong strapping farmer not easily overcome by a 3 foot daughter. But if Jeremy suddenly he becomes a frail weak old man being beaten to death by an 8 foot maniac of a son.

My scenario on page 20 matches the crime scene, evidence & bullet allocation.

You don't need to be superman to shoot June & the twins in bed. Or beat up Neville who had been shot 4 times upstairs.

What are marigolds ?

[Alias]

My scenario on page 20 matches the crime scene, evidence & bullet allocation.

You don't need to be superman to shoot June & the twins in bed. Or beat up Neville who had been shot 4 times upstairs.

What are marigolds ?

Rubber gloves. Sometimes it is claimed that not only did Jeremy wear a wetsuit, but also rubber gloves. What a sight he must have been!

[Adam]

Adam I knew I would win you round in the end now you are making sense.  Don't think RW lied maybe just had wrong information given to him.  You are now admitting Jeremy's conviction was unsafe.

Yes, the people he interviewed must have all lied to him. Except Jeremy who was also interviewed.

Do you think Mary Mugford lied under oath ?

[Alias]

How come we have never heard the relatives of the Bamber family complain about this or mention it. I would be livid if she had known and chose NOT to warn the Bambers - I would want her prosecuted along with Bamber - isn´t that a natural reaction to Julie being in the know about this horrible thing and doing nothing? How come the family has never talked about this?

 

Some additional thoughts on this. What a strange situation the relatives are in. On one hand they lost their family members in a brutal way, on the other hand they benefitted majorly from it economically, so it must have been a mixed feeling of gladness of getting the inheritance and sorrow over losing family. 
Maybe that is why they didn´t demand to hold Julie accountable, with Jeremy out of the way, they were content enough?

[lookout]

Yes, the people he interviewed must have all lied to him. Except Jeremy who was also interviewed.

Do you think Mary Mugford lied under oath ?

Blood's thicker than water,Adam. It certainly applied to this case,,and if Jeremy had been coloured as well,then he could have sued for discrimination.

[Adam]

Rubber gloves. Sometimes it is claimed that not only did Jeremy wear a wetsuit, but also rubber gloves. What a sight he must have been!

There was a hacksaw found outside the bathroom window. The marks on the bathroom window matched the hacksaw.

Jeremy may have worn gloves & dumped them afterwards. However he did not have to wear gloves. If his fingerprints were all over the house, so what ? It's his family house.

[Alias]

Yes, the people he interviewed must have all lied to him. Except Jeremy who was also interviewed.

Do you think Mary Mugford lied under oath ?

I will answer. Not neccessarily. Maybe she told the truth - probably; but none of what she says makes Jeremy a murderer, does it? Just a bit of smearing of his charachter, she was not an eye witness or anything, just the mother of his dodgy ex-girlfriend.

[Jane]

Yes, the people he interviewed must have all lied to him. Except Jeremy who was also interviewed.

Do you think Mary Mugford lied under oath ?

Lies/truth? Truth/lies? It often comes down to just ones own experience. Is a subtle untruth a lie? Standing in the witness box, is one allowed to tell the undiluted truth or is one guided to the answer that counsel is seeking? Remember too that history is written by the victors but there's usually another story that is equally true.

[Adam]

I will answer. Not neccessarily. Maybe she told the truth - probably; but none of what she says makes Jeremy a murderer, does it? Just a bit of smearing of his charachter, she was not an eye witness or anything, just the mother of his dodgy ex-girlfriend.

She speaks quite foundly of Jeremy. Saying Jeremy called her mummy & he offered her a car. However Jeremy & June had no relationship with June planning to amend her will.

[lookout]

There was a hacksaw found outside the bathroom window. The marks on the bathroom window matched the hacksaw.

Jeremy may have worn gloves & dumped them afterwards. However he did not have to wear gloves. If his fingerprints were all over the house, so what ? It's his family house.

The hacksaw was never examined for fingerprints that I know of. It was found weeks later. We'd soon have known if it had been proven that Jeremy used it to gain entry.
How about the blood on the sill ? It couldn't have been important because AE cleaned it off !
There was blood on a cobweb,of all things,but that wasn't tested either.
Strange how the ones who kept " finding " things,were the ones who stood to gain a lot of money,etc,,wasn't it ?

[nugnug]

yes very strange that.

[Jane]

She speaks quite foundly of Jeremy. Saying Jeremy called her mummy & he offered her a car. However Jeremy & June had no relationship with June planning to amend her will.

Who on earth told you that June intended to amend her will. I think you must have been reading Steve's posts.

[Adam]

The hacksaw was never examined for fingerprints that I know of. It was found weeks later. We'd soon have known if it had been proven that Jeremy used it to gain entry.
How about the blood on the sill ? It couldn't have been important because AE cleaned it off !
There was blood on a cobweb,of all things,but that wasn't tested either.
Strange how the ones who kept " finding " things,were the ones who stood to gain a lot of money,etc,,wasn't it ?

Thought the police found the hacksaw.

To be honest Jeremy said in the interview transcripts that he could get into WHF quite easily through windows. I suspect the hacksaw was used to make sure Jeremy could gain entry when needed.

[Adam]

Who on earth told you that June intended to amend her will. I think you must have been reading Steve's posts.

Mary Mugford said under oath in court that Jeremy told her this.

[lookout]

Also,Adam,,a sniffer dog was doing its sniffing on Jeremy.There was no sign of gun residue,blood,cadavers,drugs or anything else that those dogs are trained to sniff out. If Jeremy was supposed to have committed the murders at midnight,or thereabouts,the dog would have detected the odour of deceased people at the time they were all outside the farmhouse.