The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[tyler]

If everyone lied...including EP,then surely it stands to reason that Jeremy's conviction is not a safe one?

[nugnug]

Cardiff 3 ? Never heard of them.

Do you think Mary Mugford lied ?

Google them it only takes a few seconds

[grahameb]

As long as the nons have to restort to dressing Jeremy in a wtsuit and marigolds (which they do!) and to have Sheila literally a zombie just waiting her turn to be killed, I cannot take what they say seriously. To make it fit, they have to come up with quite outlandish scenarios.

And if it was Sheila they ask, "How could she be so animated and do all these things with all the family running helter and skelter." But if it was Jeremy, "everyone seems compliant and he suddenly becomes superman" If it was Sheila Ralph is a strong strapping farmer not easily overcome by a 3 foot daughter. But if Jeremy suddenly he becomes a frail weak old man being beaten to death by an 8 foot maniac of a son.

[susan]

Adam it may do you good to have heard of the Cardiff 3. 23 years to get justice for a crime they did not commit.  Sometimes it can change the way you think if you knew what had gone on with so many MOJ and police corruption.  Goggle it.

[Alias]

Everyone lied, EP, the courts, appeal courts, relatives, Rimmington, Mugford, Mary Mugford, Barbara Wilson. Roger Wilkes.

Everyone.

Their testimonies aren´t worth anything - they weren´t there when the murders were committed. Basically Julie´s testimony and the silencer "evidence" was what the jury convicted Jeremy on. Julie had a lot to gain by a guilty verdict, both immunity from prosecution of her numerous crimes and MONEY. The silencer was brought forward by relatives who had a lot to gain financially by a guilty verdict, a silencer which the police DID NOT FIND when they looked in the gun cupboard...

[susan]

Adam I knew I would win you round in the end now you are making sense.  Don't think RW lied maybe just had wrong information given to him.  You are now admitting Jeremy's conviction was unsafe.

[nugnug]

Their testimonies aren´t worth anything - they weren´t there when the murders were committed. Basically Julie´s testimony and the silencer "evidence" was what the jury convicted Jeremy on. Julie had a lot to gain by a guilty verdict, both immunity from prosecution of her numerous crimes and MONEY. The silencer was brought forward by relatives who had a lot to gain financially by a guilty verdict, a silencer which the police DID NOT FIND when they looked in the gun cupboard...

if jeremy hadent of been convicted she would probably skint and in prison.

[Alias]

if jeremy hadent of been convicted she would probably skint and in prison.

It is obvious she made a deal with EP. She had 32 sessions with them (for which she was paid, BTW - few people take money for their time spent with police, Julie did.)

[susan]

nugnug Julie would not have been allowed to teach as she would have had a criminal record.  I often wonder if she ever gives a thought to poor Jeremy being stuck in prison for so long for a crime he did not commit and she knows this.

[grahameb]

If everyone lied...including EP,then surely it stands to reason that Jeremy's conviction is not a safe one?

In actual fact Mugford did not own up to the fact that she had made a deal with the NOTW before court. So the court was not aware of that fact and neither were the jury. That is utter deception on her part. But the very next week after the conviction of Jeremy the article appeared in the NOTW plus her seedy poses for the camera. When asked when she made the deal she replied that she didn't know. What a number one filthy liar. And we are asked to believe her testimony? Whoever believes that liar is a gullible fool.

[Alias]

Was it mentioned during Julie Mugford´s testimony at the trial that she had known about Jeremy´s plans to kill his family for a year - or was that question avoided?

[nugnug]

but for some unplianed reason she choose not to share this information with the intended victims.

[Alias]

but for some unplianed reason she choose not to share this information with the intended victims.

How come we have never heard the relatives of the Bamber family complain about this or mention it. I would be livid if she had known and chose NOT to warn the Bambers - I would want her prosecuted along with Bamber - isn´t that a natural reaction to Julie being in the know about this horrible thing and doing nothing? How come the family has never talked about this?

[Adam]

Adam I knew I would win you round in the end now you are making sense.  Don't think RW lied maybe just had wrong information given to him.  You are now admitting Jeremy's conviction was unsafe.

Well Jeremy has been campaigning for 28 years. Trying to find a missed word or statement, procedural mistake, basically anything to get his conviction classed as unsafe. Helped by expensive lawyers,  he has so far failed.

But you never know this new 'bombshell' evidence may change things.

[Adam]

If everyone lied...including EP,then surely it stands to reason that Jeremy's conviction is not a safe one?

Correct. Free Jeremy. The EP & all the witnesses in court lied. The judge, appeal courts and CCRC are also wrong.