The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[susan]

Adam "Everything comes to him who waits"

[lookout]

No forensic evidence whatsoever linking Jeremy to the crime. Even the sniffer dog turned up its nose !

[Jan]

Because unlike some I am still trying to keep an open mind  - one question I have is there any proof that the police did not hear some gun shots whilst still outside (for hours) ? I guess we will not know that because the original file was stolen in a burglary . So at the moment we have no proof of times of deaths - especially as the official report said 8am.

So we don't know whether NB may have heard the gun shots panicked and called the police and his son - but did not actually realise that she had shot the twins and June . He may have just thought she was firing madly into the walls furniture etc . Could he have made the call - then rushed upstairs and then was faced with the scene and SB with the gun?

So then by the time the police got there they were all dead except Sheila?

If that is not correct then the house was completely still and no movement when the police got there because JB had killed them all some time before?

[lookout]

Unless Jeremy is a raging psychopath who did kill his family,,then he'd have had visions of his dead family every waking day which would have eventually sent him insane. FACT.
Adam says the psychiatrists are more or less always right,,so I'll challenge him with the 27 professionals who found no sign of psychopathy/violence or anything else that would indicate that this man was/is  an insane maniac/psychopath.

[Adam]

Unless Jeremy is a raging psychopath who did kill his family,,then he'd have had visions of his dead family every waking day which would have eventually sent him insane. FACT.
Adam says the psychiatrists are more or less always right,,so I'll challenge him with the 27 professionals who found no sign of psychopathy/violence or anything else that would indicate that this man was/is  an insane maniac/psychopath.

When did I say that ?

[lookout]

When did I say that ?

You mentioned about a psychiatrist not being wrong,,somewhere. I think it was pertaining to Sheila.

[Adam]

I said the defence consulted several psychiatrists to see if they felt Sheila was capable of going on such a murderous rampage. They all said 'no'.

[lookout]

I said the defence consulted several psychiatrists to see if they felt Sheila was capable of going on such a murderous rampage. They all said 'no'.

Exactly,Adam. So what do they know then if Jeremy has been examined for psychopathy ? When some think that he has got such a mental problem ?

[lookout]

I've worked in a mental hospital and you certainly don't need a psychiatrist to tell you what's wrong with the patients.

[susan]

Hello jansus  I don't think any shots had actually been fired when Ralph was phoning Jeremy but Sheila had the rifle and was behaving in a theatening way.  She ran upstairs and Ralph dropped the phone and followed her as he may have heard shots at this stage.

[tyler]

Jeremy could not have killed Sheila. The evidence shows that she died much later than the other victims. A raid team member upon first seeing her described her as having blood running from the corners of her mouth. People who have been dead for hours do not bleed do they? She also was not in a state of rigor as the other victims were,otherwise EP would not have been able to manipulate her body. Also,two experts have stated that Sheila hadn't been dead for more than a couple of hours. Clearly then,SC died when JB was outside the farmhouse with EP.

[Jan]

Sheila was admitted as an in-patient to St. Andrews Hospital, Northampton in August 1983 following an acute breakdownDuring the course of her treatment, she was observed to display a number of classic ‘textbook’ delusions associated with paranoid schizophrenia, Dr Ferguson detailed that she had been in state of acute psychosis and had been for about two weeksThese included religious delusions about being given the responsibility of ridding the world of evil, delusions about her children being ‘the devil’s children‘, and references to incestuous sex with her son's whom she described as 'the devil's children.

in 1985 when she was again in hospital they recorded violent incidents.


JB had no such medically recorded instances


Do you think all the  "3" written on the odd notes  found in her bedroom could refer to the trinity?

[tyler]

It really does amaze me how guilters are so willing to believe EP's "official" version of events and yet completely dismiss the evidence contained in their very own police logs!

[lookout]

There was a little old lady ( inpatient ) but boy,could she run ! She'd make a break for it a few times,over fields,and left us trailing behind.Sheila would have used all the power she could muster.Never be fooled by a persons' size,particularly a young woman ( slip of a girl ? ) doubtless she had the strength of an ox. Take it from one who knows these things.

[Adam]

You can bet that the jury would have discussed how Sheila was able to kill two adults & two children, re load twice & allow Neville to make two phone calls.

If they could have not come up with a realistic scenario, they would have to return a guilty verdict.