The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[susan]

Adam  I am so disappointed in you most of what you are posting is hearsay or what you presume happened try and stick to the facts that are available to us and learn from the experienced posters on the forum that is what I am doing as I am new to the forum too.

[susan]

Morning Grahame  had Jeremy been responsible for the horrendous crimes at WHF and if indeed he hated Crispy as Adam is telling us why did he not shoot the dog along with the family.  Adam you need to think about this as it would have been logical for Jeremy to have shot Crispy at the scene especially if he thought it would chew his equipment

[grahameb]

Morning Grahame  had Jeremy been responsible for the horrendous crimes at WHF and if indeed he hated Crispy as Adam is telling us why did he not shoot the dog along with the family.  Adam you need to think about this as it would have been logical for Jeremy to have shot Crispy at the scene especially if he thought it would chew his equipment

Judging by most of Adam's posts all I can say is that most of the guilters appear not to have really thought things through? They appear to be like an old record caught in a groove, saying the same thing over and over again.

[susan]

Morning Grahame  Adam is not in the Guilty camp he has an open mind and very much open to persuasion he told me so.  We will have to try harder as at the moment don't think we are doing too well

[Adam]

Adam  I am so disappointed in you most of what you are posting is hearsay or what you presume happened try and stick to the facts that are available to us and learn from the experienced posters on the forum that is what I am doing as I am new to the forum too.

Hearsay. My scensrio matches the crime scene & bullet allocation. The interview transcripts are online for everyone to see. Jeremy did jump on police notes saying 'conversations in the house' & 'one man & one woman in the kitchen'.

[Nickos]

That is a start Alias.

The problem I have is fitting in at least five minutes where Neville is cowering in the kitchen making two phone calls. Dial up phones are slow & the numbers in Essex are long. An asleep Jeremy may not answer for several rings.

She is either going crazy, so there is no time to make a phone call. Or she is not going crazy, so why make the phone calls ?


To be honest I have never answered a phone at 3am !

Adam, this post reflects exactly my thinking.

imo the alleged phone calls from Nevill never happened.

[lookout]

Morning Grahame  Adam is not in the Guilty camp he has an open mind and very much open to persuasion he told me so.  We will have to try harder as at the moment don't think we are doing too well

Adam HASN'T got an open mind,Susan. He's making his posts quite clear to me.

[Adam]

Morning Grahame  had Jeremy been responsible for the horrendous crimes at WHF and if indeed he hated Crispy as Adam is telling us why did he not shoot the dog along with the family.  Adam you need to think about this as it would have been logical for Jeremy to have shot Crispy at the scene especially if he thought it would chew his equipment

Lots of reasons.

The dog may have been running around the house & would be hard to kill. It was found cowering under Nevilles bed.

The dog would not effect his inheritance.

He had nothing personal against the dog. It was not making him work 14 hours a day on the farm. It was not a 'nutter' or 'insane' religious woman.

Jeremys aim was to kill the adults. The dog was not an issue.

Whatever the dog saw it cannot speak.

Maybe he really had a soft spot for the dog.  But would never let it stay in his cottage 'messing up his stero equipment'

[Nickos]

Judging by most of Adam's posts all I can say is that most of the guilters appear not to have really thought things through? They appear to be like an old record caught in a groove, saying the same thing over and over again.

Pot calling kettle 

As I have previously stated - oops! the "guilters" (as are sometimes referred to) can keep spouting the same stuff and JB stays inside.

The "innocenters" can keep spouting the same stuff and JB stays inside - can you see my point?

It's the innocenters that have to come up with something new 

[grahameb]

Hearsay. My scensrio matches the crime scene & bullet allocation. The interview transcripts are online for everyone to see. Jeremy did jump on police notes saying 'conversations in the house' & 'one man & one woman in the kitchen'.

So Adam. What do you think about the police records of one man and one woman? One dead female, "one dead male on entry". "Three more dead upstairs." "One murder and one suicide" etc? Do you think they made three mistakes?

[lookout]

Pot calling kettle 

As I have previously stated - oops! the "guilters" (as are sometimes referred to) can keep spouting the same stuff and JB stays inside.

The "innocenters" can keep spouting the same stuff and JB stays inside - can you see my point?

It's the innocenters that have to come up with something new 

Yippee,Nickos,,something new is being presented to CCRC next month.

[grahameb]

Pot calling kettle 

As I have previously stated - oops! the "guilters" (as are sometimes referred to) can keep spouting the same stuff and JB stays inside.

The "innocenters" can keep spouting the same stuff and JB stays inside - can you see my point?

It's the innocenters that have to come up with something new 

No so Nick. You I do not count among that few. You have reached your position by examining the evidence. As have I. But even you must admin that there are those on the guilty side wh seem to be stuck in the same groove for ever. You know those who just will not examine the evidence but would contradict everything just so they can prove their senario to be the right one. Sadly I find that position to be more amongst the "guilty party" than I do the innocence party?

[grahameb]

Lots of reasons.

The dog may have been running around the house & would be hard to kill. It was found cowering under Nevilles bed.

The dog would not effect his inheritance.

He had nothing personal against the dog. It was not making him work 14 hours a day on the farm. It was not a 'nutter' or 'insane' religious woman.

Jeremys aim was to kill the adults. The dog was not an issue.

Whatever the dog saw it cannot speak.

Maybe he really had a soft spot for the dog.  But would never let it stay in his cottage 'messing up his stero equipment'

Well the fact that one of the first things he did was to have that dog put down scotches all those theories. First you say that the dog was quiet because he knew Jeremy. Then you have him running around barking. You need to get your story straight I think?

[Nickos]

Hi Nickos, do you or have you ever had teenage children? Anyone who has will be familiar with 3am phone calls I would think. 

Hi maggie,

I have three children, 24 (son) 18 (son) & 16 (daughter).

No 3am phone calls as yet, either way, but which way do you mean. Them calling me or me calling them.

I certainly would not call my 24 year old son over to a situation that would bring him into danger at any time of the day never mind in the dark and at 3am.

I would deal directly with my daughter and if she was emotionally disturbed and holding a loaded gun
(both of which are not thankfully  I have not had to deal with) I would attempt to disarm her, physically if needs be, not only to protect her from herself, but also to protect any other loved ones in the house.

I have an air rifle and know basic gun rules - one fundamental rule is never point even an unloaded gun at anyone - even in jest.

Nevill would have done anything to disarm sheila if he had been able to - even injured - she was after all alleged to have gone crazy and had a gun!!

Who would go and make a phone call, never mind two, in this situation - leaving her alone with a loaded gun - unbelievable imo

[Nickos]

Yippee,Nickos,,something new is being presented to CCRC next month.

Hi Looky, okay and you can't say - okay been here before!

When can the forum get to know what (no doubt in my mind) will be another piece of straw clutched at!

Its not a photo of Sheila on the bed is it!!