The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[grahameb]

Susan, what is so complicated ?

There is no reason why Sheila should wake up. Especially if her bedroom door was shut. June & Neville were shot with a silencer on.The fight was in another part of the house. The twins were also asleep in their beds.

But probably a complete fiction invented by you.

[susan]

Adam who does not agree with your scenario.  I did not say that is it me you were directing your post to.

[Adam]

I don´t believe Sheila was a deep sleeper, rather a night-wanderer. I am no gun expert, but I have a hard time imagining that a silencer makes a rifle fired indoors completely silent. I don´t believe that there were no shouts or screams. June would have screamed, pleaded for her life, Neville would have roared, pleading for his life. The dogs were barking on top of everything. This was NOT quiet.
Maybe we should just agree to disagree, we have been there before?

There is a possibility Sheila woke & went into the bedroom. She was found there afterall.

June can't scream if she has been shot in the head. Which the evidence shows she was.

Neville did no pleading, only running. He would know Jeremy was there to kill him.

The small dog is either barking, asleep or hiding.

Who knows whether Sheila was in a deep or light sleep that night.

[Jane]

Susan, what is so complicated ?

There is no reason why Sheila should wake up. Especially if her bedroom door was shut. June & Neville were shot with a silencer on.The fight was in another part of the house. The twins were also asleep in their beds.

To wake up, she first need to have been asleep. Historically, schizophrenics don't sleep well as evidenced by her London neighbours.

[HMEssex]

I do not know much about police operations.

But assume a worried Jeremy would want to be kept informed & being a family member would be. He would have at least one officer keeping him company throughout. How was Sheila supposedly engaging ? Shouting out through a window, or was there a loud speaker in the house ?

If there were conversations the police would never suspect & charge Jeremy. Unless they were all after him.

He was kept company throughout.  When informed all his family were dead, he blamed the police, thinking they had killed them all, and kept asking to speak to his Dad.

The police used a loudspeaker.

[Adam]

He was kept company throughout.  When informed all his family were dead, he blamed the police, thinking they had killed them all, and kept asking to speak to his Dad.

The police used a loudspeaker.

He said when interviewed he went into the field to be sick, but nothing came up.

He kept saying to the police 'but you said everything was going to be alright.'

He also told the police 'you must be joking, I hate the thing'. When asked about taking the dog. The dog would have messed up his stero system.

[Jane]

He said when interviewed he went into the field to be sick, but nothing came up.

He kept saying to the police 'but you said everything was going to be alright.'

He also told the police 'you must be joking, I hate the thing'. When asked about taking the dog. The dog would have messed up his stero system.

It's called "retching" and is a known reaction to trauma. It's reasonable to think that he trusted what the police told him. An animal he disliked and was disliked by was hardly fit compensation for the loss of his family.

[grahameb]

He said when interviewed he went into the field to be sick, but nothing came up.

He kept saying to the police 'but you said everything was going to be alright.'

He also told the police 'you must be joking, I hate the thing'. When asked about taking the dog. The dog would have messed up his stero system.

All the more reason to shoot it then.

[HMEssex]

He said when interviewed he went into the field to be sick, but nothing came up.

He kept saying to the police 'but you said everything was going to be alright.'

He also told the police 'you must be joking, I hate the thing'. When asked about taking the dog. The dog would have messed up his stero system.

Therefore, he and EP knew people were alive when they got there and they (EP) had everything under control???

What stereo system? 

[tyler]

Adam,I seriously think you need to do more reading on the case. Fostering (as in day care)WAS being discussed. Colins mother mentions it in her statement. Also,the ivory round dial telephone was in situ in the kitchen on the monday prior to the murders. Mr Pike,the telephone engineer recalls seeing there,in his statement. Allegedly,June preferred the that telephone and so it was used there whilst Nevill's cordless phone was being repaired. Could you point me to evidence that Jeremy didn't get on with his father? Nevill had recently purchased JB a small farm and told the man from the Henry Smith Trust (owners of the farm) that he was pleased with JB and that he was shaping up to be a good farmer. PS..could you please answer my earlier post asking how you think it is possible that 2 bodies found downstairs and a further 3 bodies found upstairs,became one downstairs and 4 upstairs?

[Adam]

Adam,I seriously think you need to do more reading on the case. Fostering (as in day care)WAS being discussed. Colins mother mentions it in her statement. Also,the ivory round dial telephone was in situ in the kitchen on the monday prior to the murders. Mr Pike,the telephone engineer recalls seeing there,in his statement. Allegedly,June preferred the that telephone and so it was used there whilst Nevill's cordless phone was being repaired. Could you point me to evidence that Jeremy didn't get on with his father? Nevill had recently purchased JB a small farm and told the man from the Henry Smith Trust (owners of the farm) that he was pleased with JB and that he was shaping up to be a good farmer. PS..could you please answer my earlier post asking how you think it is possible that 2 bodies found downstairs and a further 3 bodies found upstairs,became one downstairs and 4 upstairs?

I have done enough reading on this case thanks.

Jeremy would tell anyone who would listen about how he hated his parents. His 'old' father was 'ready to be put to pasture'. He wanted a bigger share in the caravan site but Neville said Jeremy did not have enough business sense'. Robert Boutflour testified Jeremy said 'I could easily kill my parents'.

The location of the phones was an important enough issue to be brought up by QC Arlidge in court. There had been storms in June. But why were newspapers covering the kitchen phone? We will never know if Jeremy moved them. The house keeper also said Fairy Liquid, a sink tidy & sponge had been moved from underneath the kitchen window. There is no reason why the raid team should do this.

Only Neville was in the kitchen. Just like the 'conversations in the house' claim several years later, Jeremy saw a typed log saying 'woman & man in kitchen' & jumped on it. An officer from outside saw Nevilles long hair & assumed it was a woman.

[Caroline R]

He said when interviewed he went into the field to be sick, but nothing came up.

He kept saying to the police 'but you said everything was going to be alright.'

He also told the police 'you must be joking, I hate the thing'. When asked about taking the dog. The dog would have messed up his stero system.

And?

[tyler]

Adam,if you had "read enough" then you would know that EP admitted to moving the items around the sink whilst clearing up. Also,it wasn't a case of an officer mistaking Nevill for a woman through a window. Another log states that "one male,one female found on entry" they are then described as a "murder and a suicide". Around 20 minutes later the log states "a further 3 bodies found upstairs". The logs can't possibly be wrong - the raid team were wearing open mic's! The logs have also been edited by EP. 

[Caroline R]

Adam,if you had "read enough" then you would know that EP admitted to moving the items around the sink whilst clearing up. Also,it wasn't a case of an officer mistaking Nevill for a woman through a window. Another log states that "one male,one female found on entry" they are then described as a "murder and a suicide". Around 20 minutes later the log states "a further 3 bodies found upstairs". The logs can't possibly be wrong - the raid team were wearing open mic's! The logs have also been edited by EP.

And we have an example of it!!

[susan]

Adam

which member of EP have you spoken to that repeated the story that Jeremy hated Crispy.  Jeremy was in no position to look after Crispy the dog would have been left home alone whilst Jeremy was busy running the farm.  Crispy was not a working dog like Bruce who was rehomed but rather old and bad tempered and really had reached the end of his life and it would have been cruel for Jeremy to have taken him.  No other family members would take him thought maybe Ann would have liked him as a pet but sadly no (not Jeremy Crispy).