The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[susan]

Jansus yes many unanswered questions not just as black and white as Adam is making out.  I am sure some of these questions will be answered in Paul's book.  The book title could be a clue

[guest7363]

Hi ralf  was Isabell on a bike as well .  Maybe they should have had a tandem

Can tha ride tandem?  Don't believe the bike theory and wet suit one bit Susan.

[susan]

ralf I will ride a tandem anytime with youxx.  The bike theory and wetsuit and marigold gloves is just a tale that steve uk seemed to be fond of

[lookout]

Ahh but Lookout ISABELL necessary on a bike? sorry x

Aww,Ralf. x

[Adam]

Methinks you don't know much about police operations? Police do not allow a member of the public to "direct" things. If anything they get members of public away from the operation. This is for (1) safety to the public. (2) So they won't hinder the operation. Why do you think they took him to his own house to phone Julie Mugford? It was to get him out of the way.

I do not know much about police operations.

But assume a worried Jeremy would want to be kept informed & being a family member would be. He would have at least one officer keeping him company throughout. How was Sheila supposedly engaging ? Shouting out through a window, or was there a loud speaker in the house ?

If there were conversations the police would never suspect & charge Jeremy. Unless they were all after him.

[Adam]

Hello Adam

I have been led to believe that the fostering of the twins had been discussed before I think with a Social Worker.  Patti will confirm this and elaborate. I believe the rifle with a silencer would only make a slight clicking noise. Parts of your post are too complicated for me to comment but I think Sheila did take a shower and her soiled clothes were left to soak in the two buckets found in the kitchen or maybe they were burnt in the Aga.

To complicated ? You mean the post on page 20 ?

Quite straight forward really. I will fish it out.

[Alias]

I do not know much about police operations.

But assume a worried Jeremy would want to be kept informed & being a family member would be. He would have at least one officer keeping him company throughout. How was Sheila supposedly engaging ? Shouting out through a window, or was there a loud speaker in the house ?

If there were conversations the police would never suspect & charge Jeremy. Unless they were all after him.

I agree with that. In my humble opinion, it is a misunderstanding due to unclear wording in the police report.

[Adam]

Perfectly beleivable scenario for me -

Jeremy rides to WHF in a wet suit - He had a wet suit, bike & knew the routes.

He gets through the bathroom window without making a noise or leaving evidence - He is used to getting in & wore gloves.

The phones are disabled & gun picked up.

He starts shooting a sleeping June - Blood on the pillow (5)

Neville wakes & gets up & is shot - Torso shots (4)

Neville heads to the kitchen - Back shot (1)

He is caught up and beaten - Gun is now empty. Nevilles black eyes, damaged jaw.

Gun re loaded and Neville shot again - Head shots (3)

June has staggered out of bed. She is shot again (2)

Sheila is woken & told she needs to go into the main bedroom. She is immediatly pulled to the floor, held down &  shot. Still alive she is shot again - Two bullet wounds (2)

The twins are shot while sleeping - Found in bed (eight).

Silencer taken off - Not found on gun.

A gun & bible is put on & by Sheila - Both found on/by her.

Bedroom phone brought downstairs & plugged in - No blood on phone.

Kitchen phone hidden - Found under newpapers. In working order.

Silencer put in box in gun cupboard - Found in a box in the gun cupboard.

Exit out of the kitchen window - Lockable from outside.

Back home, wash & get ready to make phone calls.

Susan, what is so complicated ?

There is no reason why Sheila should wake up. Especially if her bedroom door was shut. June & Neville were shot with a silencer on.The fight was in another part of the house. The twins were also asleep in their beds.

[lookout]

Were you there by any chance,Adam ??

[Alias]

Susan, what is so complicated ?

There is no reason why Sheila should wake up. Especially if her bedroom door was shut. June & Neville were shot with a silencer on.The fight was in another part of the house. The twins were also asleep in their beds.

Yes there is! Her room next to her parents´ and very close by the twins´. Are you saying it all went down quietly? It sure looks messy and disorganized to me! There would have been a lot, I mean, A LOT of noise!

[Adam]

Yes there is! Her room next to her parents´ and very close by the twins´. Are you saying it all went down quietly? It sure looks messy and disorganized to me! There would have been a lot, I mean, A LOT of noise!

What noise in the bedroom ? Silencer shots ? Neville standing up & then running out of the room. Less than two minutes of activity.  The evidence shows there was no fight in the bedroom.

Neville running down the stairs & being shot once more with a silencer. Then being followed by Jeremy ?  Another 30 seconds of not very noisey action.

The fight downstairs was brutal but quick. Jeremy had no injuries.

I am a deep sleeper & could see myself sleeping through that.
 

[susan]

Hello Adam

it is becoming complicated as I don't think for one moment Sheila was asleep.  After June and Ralph retired Sheila IMO had laid on her bed and rose from her bed and went downstairs to eat and let us not forget the accident with her period and empty tampon holder found in the lounge.  June would never have allowed an empty tampon holder to be left around the house and this is why it indicates to me June was in her bed sleeping. Think Sheila was very restless and was wandering around the house her mind in torment what happened later we have discussed previously. 

[grahameb]

I do not know much about police operations.

But assume a worried Jeremy would want to be kept informed & being a family member would be. He would have at least one officer keeping him company throughout. How was Sheila supposedly engaging ? Shouting out through a window, or was there a loud speaker in the house ?

If there were conversations the police would never suspect & charge Jeremy. Unless they were all after him.

The police always work on the hunch that if there is a murder then it is most likely to be committed by a family member. The police inevitably latch onto a member of a family and question them over and over again trying to trip them up.
Police would have questioned Jeremy over and over. But when they come to write their formal report they inevitable only write those things that they want people to know in order to make it look as much as possible as if that person is guilty. Let us hope that you yourself never have to endure such police hounding.

[Adam]

You do not agree with my scenario. That is fine.

[Alias]

What noise in the bedroom ? Silencer shots ? Neville standing up & then running out of the room. Less than two minutes of activity.  The evidence shows there was no fight in the bedroom.

Neville running down the stairs & being shot once more with a silencer. Then being followed by Jeremy ?  Another 30 seconds of not very noisey action.

The fight downstairs was brutal but quick. Jeremy had no injuries.

I am a deep sleeper & could see myself sleeping through that.

I don´t believe Sheila was a deep sleeper, rather a night-wanderer. I am no gun expert, but I have a hard time imagining that a silencer makes a rifle fired indoors completely silent. I don´t believe that there were no shouts or screams. June would have screamed, pleaded for her life, Neville would have roared, pleading for his life. The dogs were barking on top of everything. This was NOT quiet.
Maybe we should just agree to disagree, we have been there before?