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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #150 on: December 03, 2013, 09:48:PM »


But what would have been Jeremy's motive other than the greed it was SAID to have been because nothing else could be laid against him. Weigh this up against the FACT that he had no "previous" compared with the FACT of Sheila's mental state and a life spiralling out of her control and IMO, it's much more likely to have been Sheila.
He would only have needed ONE motive though.

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« Reply #151 on: December 03, 2013, 09:48:PM »
If Sheila was asleep, Jeremy, may have woken her up & told her she needed to go into the main bedroom. Sheila would have trusted her brother.  Once in the bedroom Jeremy could have pushed her to the floor, held her down & shot her. That would only take a few seconds to do. Sheila would not be expecting this to happen & may have also been half asleep.

Answered the other bits earlier.

Why didn´t he just shoot her in her own bedroom? More troublesome getting her into their parents´bedroom - and for whatever reason would Jeremy choose the parents´bedroom? Makes no sense. Besides, there was no blood in Sheila´s room, none at all, don´t you think that there would have been some transfer from the carnage that had taken place?
Finally, I cannot imagine that Sheila slept throough dogs barking people screaming, shots and general commotion.
This scenario is faulty.

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« Reply #152 on: December 03, 2013, 09:53:PM »
Why didn´t he just shoot her in her own bedroom? More troublesome getting her into their parents´bedroom - and for whatever reason would Jeremy choose the parents´bedroom? Makes no sense. Besides, there was no blood in Sheila´s room, none at all, don´t you think that there would have been some transfer from the carnage that had taken place?
Finally, I cannot imagine that Sheila slept throough dogs barking people screaming, shots and general commotion.
This scenario is faulty.
Remember what Ann Eaton said also? That she was told by one of the police officers that both June and Sheila were on the bed. A Bible was on Sheila's chest and the rifle was between them. That is what Ann herself had said.

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« Reply #153 on: December 03, 2013, 09:55:PM »
He would only have needed ONE motive though.



And there was no proof that the one which was chosen to fit was the truth.

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« Reply #154 on: December 03, 2013, 10:00:PM »
There would be no reason to move June from the bed and I'm willing to accept that by dint of her own efforts she had managed to move out of bed and was finished off with two shots right between the eyes,which is where the DNA may have come from. What does Jeremy say about the silencer? Did Sheila walk over her mother to get to the far side of the master bedroom,necessitating her getting blood on the soles of her feet? If Jeremy is the guilty party he has to bring Sheila out of her bedroom or forensics would be able to prove she had never left that location and therefore could have taken no part in the killings.
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« Reply #155 on: December 03, 2013, 10:08:PM »
There would be no reason to move June from the bed and I'm willing to accept that by dint of her own efforts she had managed to move out of bed and was finished off with two shots right between the eyes,which is where the DNA may have come from. What does Jeremy say about the silencer? Did Sheila walk over her mother to get to the far side of the master bedroom,necessitating her getting blood on the soles of her feet? If Jeremy is the guilty party he has to bring Sheila out of her bedroom or forensics would be able to prove she had never left that location and therefore could have taken no part in the killings.



Steve, we were previously told her feet were clean.

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« Reply #156 on: December 03, 2013, 10:09:PM »


Steve, we were previously told her feet were clean.
Steve, we were previously told her hands were clean as well.  ;)

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« Reply #157 on: December 03, 2013, 10:10:PM »
Steve, we were previously told her hands were clean as well.  ;)




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« Reply #159 on: December 03, 2013, 10:17:PM »


Steve, we were previously told her feet were clean.
On Jeremy's page it tells us there was blood on the sole of her left foot. Did pathology at the time make a distinction between feet and soles? Why would Sheila ritualistically wash and then move into a bloodied area? After a psychotic episode she suddenly becomes calm at the time the Defence require and decides to take her own life..http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/how-and-why-did-sheila-do-it
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« Reply #160 on: December 03, 2013, 10:25:PM »
On Jeremy's page it tells us there was blood on the sole of her left foot. Did pathology at the time make a distinction between feet and soles? Why would Sheila ritualistically wash and then move into a bloodied area? After a psychotic episode she suddenly becomes calm at the time the Defence require and decides to take her own life..http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/how-and-why-did-sheila-do-it


Steve, I won't attempt to second guess what distinctions pathology may, or not, have made and although I've never experienced a psychotic episode I can imagine that, just as one calms down from losing ones temper, a period of perhaps deep calm/lethargy/tiredness follows a psychotic episode.

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #161 on: December 03, 2013, 10:26:PM »
Why didn´t he just shoot her in her own bedroom? More troublesome getting her into their parents´bedroom - and for whatever reason would Jeremy choose the parents´bedroom? Makes no sense. Besides, there was no blood in Sheila´s room, none at all, don´t you think that there would have been some transfer from the carnage that had taken place?
Finally, I cannot imagine that Sheila slept throough dogs barking people screaming, shots and general commotion.
This scenario is faulty.

Jeremy had to show that Sheila had been moving around the house. Why not put her in the main bedroom, where two other people had been shot ? The first 'rushed' shot didn't kill her. Resulting in the second shot.

Would there be blood on Jeremy to transfer to Sheila's bedroom ? The twins & Junes killings were straight forward. Nevilles was more difficult but Jeremy could always take his shoes off before getting Sheila.

Sheila may not have heard anything, especially if the bedroom door was shut.  The twins & Junes killings were quick. The kitchen fight was downstairs & may have been quick.



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« Reply #162 on: December 03, 2013, 10:30:PM »
Jeremy had to show that Sheila had been moving around the house. Why not put her in the main bedroom, where two other people had been shot ? The first 'rushed' shot didn't kill her. Resulting in the second shot. 

Would there be blood on Jeremy to transfer to Sheila's bedroom ? The twins & Junes killings were straight forward. Nevilles killing was more difficult but Jeremy could always take his shoes off before getting Sheila. 

Sheila may not have heard anything, especially if the bedroom door was shut.  The twins & Junes killings were quick. The kitchen fight was downstairs & may have been quick. 
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #163 on: December 03, 2013, 10:47:PM »
Or Sheila had heard the noise & wandered into her parents bedroom. Jeremy entering the bedroom from downstairs & taking her by surprise before she had realised what had happened.
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« Reply #164 on: December 03, 2013, 10:53:PM »
That sounds even more implausible.

Unlike riding cross country wearing a wetsuit, or finding a silencer in a cupboard that had already been searched by 5 police officers that when tested, is like the candy store version of forensics, or entering a house through a window and not alerting even the dog and leaving no trace of yourself, or an autopsy report that when in statement form becomes the complete opposite of the written notes of the pathologist, or an open bible placed in a pool of blood that has no stain on the page that was actually resting in it? I could go one but I won't!! Most of these aren't even scenario's, they're 'supposed' to be facts!! Laughable!!
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