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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2013, 09:41:PM »
Anthony Pargeter moved to Ibiza, right? Is he still there? Just curious.

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2013, 09:44:PM »
Anthony Pargeter moved to Ibiza, right? Is he still there? Just curious.
I believe he is Alias, very nice too. ;) ;)

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2013, 10:03:PM »
If Jeremy  going to attempt to break in & commit the murders he should first take the downstairs phone off the hook. This disabled all other phones In the house.

He should  first enter June & Nevilles bedroom as Neville could provide most resistence & he would not want to run out of bullets.

Once Neville was dealt with, as a fit 24 year old he would be confident of finishing the job off.  Two six year olds, a 61 year old woman & small young woman would be managable, even if they were now awake. However if things had gone smoothly Sheila & the twins should still be asleep. They were in other rooms, probably with the doors shut. However the next killing after Neville would be June who was in the same bed as Neville. Hopefully still asleep.
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« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2013, 10:17:PM »
If Jeremy  going to attempt to break in & commit the murders he should first take the downstairs phone off the hook. This disabled all other phones In the house.

He should  first enter June & Nevilles bedroom as Neville could provide most resistence & he would not want to run out of bullets.

Once Neville was dealt with, as a fit 24 year old he would be confident of finishing the job off.  Two six year olds, a 61 year old woman & small young woman would be managable, even if they were now awake. However if things had gone smoothly Sheila & the twins should still be asleep. They were in other rooms, probably with the doors shut. However the next killing after Neville would be June who was in the same bed as Neville. Hopefully still asleep.

Is it me or have we been here before?

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2013, 10:17:PM »
If Jeremy  going to attempt to break in & commit the murders he should first take the downstairs phone off the hook. This disabled all other phones In the house.

He should  first enter June & Nevilles bedroom as Neville could provide most resistence & he would not want to run out of bullets.

Once Neville was dealt with, as a fit 24 year old he would be confident of finishing the job off.  Two six year olds, a 61 year old woman & small young woman would be managable, even if they were now awake. However if things had gone smoothly Sheila & the twins should still be asleep. They were in other rooms, probably with the doors shut. However the next killing after Neville would be June who was in the same bed as Neville. Hopefully still asleep.

So you think the Neville was killed first? That would have taken time, there was a fight, it would have been noisy, very noisy. Are you trying to tell me that two women were so incredibly passive that they just waited upstairs to be killed? They made no attempt to save themselves or the twins? I am not buying that at all!
June was 61, but she wasn´t an invalid, was she? She could walk, talk, run and scream. Same with Sheila, although small, she would have done anything to save her children like all mothers would when their offspring is in danger! Much of what is claimed in this case I find condescending to females - like we are blabbering, passive idiots that are prone to let ourselves be "led" to our deaths.
June and Sheila could have grabbed the twins and run down the stairs and out the door. They could have climbed out of any window while Jeremy was fighting with Neville. There is no sign of anything like that.
With respect, your scenario makes no sense at all to me.

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« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2013, 10:19:PM »
If Jeremy did commit the crime, I suspect the mistake he made in the master bedroom was shooting June first. Which seems to have happened as there is no evidence of June moving more than a few feet from the bed. Neville woke up & was  only shot in the body & then in the back when running down the stairs.  If there were no more bullets left, it would explain the fight.

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2013, 10:19:PM »
If Jeremy  going to attempt to break in & commit the murders he should first take the downstairs phone off the hook. This disabled all other phones In the house.

He should  first enter June & Nevilles bedroom as Neville could provide most resistence & he would not want to run out of bullets.

Once Neville was dealt with, as a fit 24 year old he would be confident of finishing the job off.  Two six year olds, a 61 year old woman & small young woman would be managable, even if they were now awake. However if things had gone smoothly Sheila & the twins should still be asleep. They were in other rooms, probably with the doors shut. However the next killing after Neville would be June who was in the same bed as Neville. Hopefully still asleep.


Do you not find it strange, given the amount of trained and prepared soldiers who come back from wars suffering PTSD, that an untrained 24 yr old, suffering no mental or personality disorder, could casually slaughter his family and have absolutely no discernable traces, over 28 years, of sleeeplessness, flashbacks, nightmares, sweating, ANYTHING AT ALL to suggest that he committed the crime.

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« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2013, 10:22:PM »
If Jeremy did commit the crime, I suspect the mistake he made in the master bedroom was shooting June first. Which seems to have happened as there is no evidence of June moving more than a few feet from the bed. Neville woke up & was  only shot in the body & then in the back when running down the stairs.  If there were no more bullets left, it would explain the fight.

In a previous post you said Neville was shot first, now you're saying June? Fact is none of us know so these scenario's are pretty pointless.

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2013, 10:23:PM »
If Jeremy did commit the crime, I suspect the mistake he made in the master bedroom was shooting June first. Which seems to have happened as there is no evidence of June moving more than a few feet from the bed. Neville woke up & was  only shot in the body & then in the back when running down the stairs.  If there were no more bullets left, it would explain the fight.

And Sheila, where was she?

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« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2013, 10:25:PM »
And Sheila, where was she?

Waiting in line?

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« Reply #55 on: December 02, 2013, 10:25:PM »
So you think the Neville was killed first? That would have taken time, there was a fight, it would have been noisy, very noisy. Are you trying to tell me that two women were so incredibly passive that they just waited upstairs to be killed? They made no attempt to save themselves or the twins? I am not buying that at all!
June was 61, but she wasn´t an invalid, was she? She could walk, talk, run and scream. Same with Sheila, although small, she would have done anything to save her children like all mothers would when their offspring is in danger! Much of what is claimed in this case I find condescending to females - like we are blabbering, passive idiots that are prone to let ourselves be "led" to our deaths.
June and Sheila could have grabbed the twins and run down the stairs and out the door. They could have climbed out of any window while Jeremy was fighting with Neville. There is no sign of anything like that.
With respect, your scenario makes no sense at all to me.

That would be my plan if I was going committ the murders. If it went smoothly it is quite straight forward. As we know it did not happen that way.
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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #56 on: December 02, 2013, 10:30:PM »
That would be my plan if I was going committ the murders. If it went smoothly it is quite straight forward. As we know it did not happen that way.

So you would have counted on Sheila and June to be blabbering, docile idiots...

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« Reply #57 on: December 02, 2013, 10:44:PM »
If Jeremy committed the murders, we will never know the order.

Perhaps the twins & Sheila were shot first. The twins being asleep & Sheila putting up little resistance. Or they just did not hear the fight (It is a big house) & were shot later.

However it seems clear that June was shot before Neville. Resulting in Neville waking & not getting shot in the head upstairs. If Neville was asleep in bed Jeremy would have gone straight for a head shot.
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« Reply #58 on: December 02, 2013, 10:54:PM »
If Jeremy committed the murders, we will never know the order.

Perhaps the twins & Sheila were shot first. The twins being asleep & Sheila putting up little resistance. Or they just did not hear the fight (It is a big house) & were shot later.

However it seems clear that June was shot before Neville. Resulting in Neville waking & not getting shot in the head upstairs. If Neville was asleep in bed Jeremy would have gone straight for a head shot.

I don't see any point in this, no one knows what happened - we weren't there!!

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #59 on: December 02, 2013, 10:59:PM »
If Jeremy committed the murders, we will never know the order.

Perhaps the twins & Sheila were shot first. The twins being asleep & Sheila putting up little resistance. Or they just did not hear the fight (It is a big house) & were shot later.

However it seems clear that June was shot before Neville. Resulting in Neville waking & not getting shot in the head upstairs. If Neville was asleep in bed Jeremy would have gone straight for a head shot.

You seem unable to distinguish between known facts and your own imagined scenarios. You say

 “If Jeremy committed the murders, we will never know the order.”

But then go on to say

“However, it seems clear that June was shot before Neville.”

The latter statement contradicts the former.