The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Adam]

New poster here. Have read lots on the net & Roger Wilkes book. First set of questions -

Why was the bedroom phone in the kitchen ? The kitchen phone was in working order.

I read Neville was shot upstairs & on the stairs, suggesting the shooter was in pursuit. How did Neville have time to make two phone calls ?

If the shooter was Sheila, why did he not confront her upstairs ? Perhaps resulting in saving himself & everyone else. He had the energy energy to get downstairs & put up a fight, why run away ? By the time the police & Jeremy would have arrived it would be too late. Neville does not seem like the sort to run away, unless the shooter was stronger.

[Jane]

Adam Hello. Great to have you onboard but could you please introduce yourself and your interest in the case in the Foyer so we can all welcome you.

April

[Adam]

Thank you.

Ok, will do.

[Adam]

There are two possible time lines from the stair shot.

1: Sheila turned round, went back into both bedrooms & fired more shots. Then still in a rage went downstairs & brutally attacked & killed Neville, perhaps while he was in mid conversation with Jeremy.

2: Jeremy ran after Neville. He had to stop him calling the police & identifying him. Neville was battered & shot to death.


The first scenario would perhaps give Neville time to make two phone calls.

[maggie]

There are three possible time lines from the stair shot.

1: Sheila turned round, went back into the both bedrooms & fired more shots. Then still in a rage ran downstairs & brutally attacked & killed Neville, perhaps while he was in mid conversation with Bamber.

2: Sheila in a rage, ran after Neville. Attacking & killing him.

3: Jeremy ran after Neville. He had to stop him calling the police & identifying him. Neville was battered & shot to death.


The first scenario would perhaps give Neville time to make two phone calls.

Hi Adam the problem is that we have no idea what happened that night, we can guess forever but that proves nothing.  We have no idea really which phone was used to phone Jeremy and the police or whatever and we have no idea where Sheila was when he did so.  It's quite possible that no shots had been fired at the time of the phone calls and that Neville returned upstairs again before being shot for the first time.   

[Adam]

Good points. I have just amended my last post.

There was no chance of number 2 happening as Jeremy, if he was not the killer would not have received the phone call.

[Adam]

Must admit the first case scenario seems unlikely as well. Neville had been shot & will know that while he is downstairs, Sheila is shooting his wife & grand children. Especially if there is no silencer attached. He would want to save them.

If he thought or knew they were already dead why run downstairs & stay in the kitchen, knowing you're next ? Running outside & escaping would be better.

[maggie]

Must admit the first case scenario seems unlikely as well. Neville had been shot & will know that while he is downstairs, Sheila is shooting his wife & grand children. Especially if there is no silencer attached.

If he thought they were already dead why run downstairs & stay in the kitchen, knowing you're next ? Running outside & escaping would be better.

Don't believe anyone had been shot when Neil made the phone call.

[Adam]

'Going berserk with a gun '.

If she was just holding them hostage not sure why she let Neville past her to make the calls. Neville would have then gone back upstairs to be shot in the bedroom & then the stairs as he attempted to escape.

[Caroline R]

'Going berserk with a gun '.

If she was just holding them hostage not sure why she let Neville past her to make the calls. Neville would have then gone back upstairs to be shot in the bedroom & then the stairs as he attempted to escape.

That's not what was said; The words reported by Jeremy were 'Sheila has gone crazy, she's got the(a) gun'

[Adam]

If she had the gun but was not using it. Neville & June would have tried to reason with her. If that did not work,  together they would have restrained Sheila. One or two bullets may have gone off in the excitement. However June was shot in bed from close range. So probably asleep.

Suspect that the shots to June woke Neville. Meaning the shooter was only able to get body shots & a back shot on the stairs.

[Jan]

If she had the gun but was not using it. Neville & June would have tried to reason with her. If that did not work,  together they would have restrained Sheila. One or two bullets may have gone off in the excitement. However June was shot in bed from close range. So probably asleep.

Suspect that the shots to June woke Neville. Meaning the shooter was only able to get body shots & a back shot on the stairs.

so why did Sheila try and save her children by calling police? We know she was still alive as blood was still pouring from her wounds  when the police eventually entered the house?

[maggie]

If she had the gun but was not using it. Neville & June would have tried to reason with her. If that did not work,  together they would have restrained Sheila. One or two bullets may have gone off in the excitement. However June was shot in bed from close range. So probably asleep.
Suspect that the shots to June woke Neville. Meaning the shooter was only able to get body shots & a back shot on the stairs.

Thing is Adam you can suspect all sorts of things as can I but we really don't know if Sheila had locked herself in the downstairs loo with a gun or whatever. June very possibly was shot when she was sleeping or lying in bed, Nevill may have been in bed or in the loo or downstairs or wherever, many possibilities??

[Caroline R]

If she had the gun but was not using it. Neville & June would have tried to reason with her. If that did not work,  together they would have restrained Sheila. One or two bullets may have gone off in the excitement. However June was shot in bed from close range. So probably asleep.

Suspect that the shots to June woke Neville. Meaning the shooter was only able to get body shots & a back shot on the stairs.

Would they? If Jeremy was responsible, how did he manage to control 3 adults? Why didn't anyone wake up as he entered the house through a window? June was a very light sleeper and Crispy (the small dog) would surely have barked alerting the household of an intruder. No marks were found on the windows and the house was locked from the inside.

[Jane]

If she had the gun but was not using it. Neville & June would have tried to reason with her. If that did not work,  together they would have restrained Sheila. One or two bullets may have gone off in the excitement. However June was shot in bed from close range. So probably asleep.

Suspect that the shots to June woke Neville. Meaning the shooter was only able to get body shots & a back shot on the stairs.

Adam, that's logic with the benefit of hindsight talking. Things when they happen can rarely be fitted i nto such tidy little boxes.