Fraudulent???

[grahameb]

Pardon?

Take a look at PH's main trade distribution outlet funded by PH (PH don't deal direct)

http://www.bisley-uk.com/products.php?c=23

http://www.parker-hale.co.uk/mod.htm
See top sentence. It appears that they use both terms to describe one object?

[JackAll]

That proves my point.  The dealer in your link uses the term silencer.  Parker Hale's own description is sound moderator, and always has been.  There is a scan here somewhere of the instruction leaflet supplied by Parker Hale.  I still have my copies of this, and it has not changed over the years.  However it does not really matter as the terms silencer, sound moderator and suppressor are interchangeable, as I have already explained.  I own several of them, of different makes including Parker Hale, and of different calibres, both centerfire and rimfire.

It does not prove your point one iota.........The link is not to a dealer.....I did tell you that.

The company is PH and via Companies House or any search you will find that PH and Bisley / John Rothery are at exactly the same address.

However, silencer; moderator; suppressor; muzzle brake; whatever..............the d*mn thing is a red herring and I don't know why it has a hold over so many peoples' view of the shootings........ For certain, it wasn't fitted when it took place......

..........and to answer something Grahame asked , the adaptor that connected the silencer to the barrel laying on the floor is a serious indication that it wasn't fitted..............because a spanner is needed to tighten it to the barrel**......so where was the bl**dy spanner???

(**The silencer is then screwed tightly onto the adaptor by hand..........Neither adaptor or silencer can be loose as there is a distinct risk of injury to the shooter )

Jack

[grahameb]

Sorry if this causes controversy. But this is from the link I supplied.

The classic Parker-Hale .22 calibre sound moderator has been in continuous production for over 50 years and has not been bettered. When used with sub-sonic ammunition it is one of the most effective silencers available today. Both the lightweight alloy and steel options can be easily taken apart for cleaning.

[JackAll]

Sorry if this causes controversy. But this is from the link I supplied.

Just shows that PH didn't know what to call it...........but it certainly isn't a military standard silencer by any near means.

However, the John Rothery description for the Steel one clearly states 'Silencer' throughout..........and the aluminium ones were pretty sh*te in the 80s.

[grahameb]

Just shows that PH didn't know what to call it...........but it certainly isn't a military standard silencer by any near means.

But it does appear to support ngb's statement that the terms are interchangeable even if the makers don't know what to call it? Wouldn't you agree Jack?

[JackAll]

But it does appear to support ngb's statement that the terms are interchangeable even if the makers don't know what to call it? Wouldn't you agree Jack?

No, I don't agree..........but it is immaterial.

PS, look up four posts........there is an answer to something you asked there.

[grahameb]

the adaptor that connected the silencer to the barrel laying on the floor is a serious indication that it wasn't fitted..............because a spanner is need to tighten it to the barrel......so where was the bl**dy spanner???

Jack

That's a good point actually. But I thought it was just a knarled cap that could be undone using just a hand grip? Perhaps I just assumed that?

[ngb1066]

It does not prove your point one iota.........The link is not to a dealer.....I did tell you that.

The company is PH and via Companies House or any search you will find that PH and Bisley / John Rothery are at exactly the same address.

However, silencer; moderator; suppressor; muzzle brake; whatever..............the d*mn thing is a red herring and I don't know why it has a hold over so many peoples' view of the shootings........ For certain, it wasn't fitted when it took place......

..........and to answer something Grahame asked , the adaptor that connected the silencer to the barrel laying on the floor is a serious indication that it wasn't fitted..............because a spanner is need to tighten it to the barrel......so where was the bl**dy spanner

Jack

There is no adapter connecting the silencer to the rifle barrel.  The silencer simply screws onto the threaded end of the barrel.  No spanner or other tool is required, it is simply screwed on by hand.  It takes a few seconds.

[JackAll]

There is no adapter connecting the silencer to the rifle barrel.  The silencer simply screws onto the threaded end of the barrel.  No spanner or other tool is required, it is simply screwed on by hand.  It takes a few seconds.

Wrong again........My 525 has a threaded barrel end (almost like a S/G multi-choke) and an adaptor is screwed into the barrel, and tightened with a spanner........

....two types clearly seen on the John Rothery Wholesale website (use the same link)....

but again, immaterial..........there was no point in fitting a silencer.

Sorry ngb, as I have other more important things to do, I'm not going to keep repeating myself for the benefit of someone that thinks they have extensive firearms knowledge and who could be leading others up the wrong path, therefore I shall butt out and let you get on with it.

Jack.....ta,ta

[ngb1066]

Wrong again........My 525 has a threaded barrel end (almost like a S/G multi-choke) and an adaptor is screwed into the barrel, and tightened with a spanner........

....two types clearly seen on the John Rothery Wholesale website (use the same link)....

but again, immaterial..........there was no point in fitting a silencer.

Sorry ngb, as I have other more important things to do, I'm not going to keep repeating myself for the benefit of someone that thinks they have extensive firearms knowledge and who could be leading others up the wrong path, therefore I shall butt out and let you get on with it.

Jack.....ta,ta

I have tried in a polite manner to correct you when you have made errors.  I do know what I am talking about as I have extensive experience of firearms and I own a number of rifles and sound moderators, including Anschutz and Parker Hale.  You are simply wrong in what you say about fitting the sound moderator.  Unfortunately instead of accepting the correction with good grace you resort to denigration of me.  You clearly do not have the knowledge or experience you claim and it is important that other members are not misled.

[JackAll]

I have tried in a polite manner to correct you when you have made errors.  I do know what I am talking about as I have extensive experience of firearms and I own a number of rifles and sound moderators, including Anschutz and Parker Hale.  You are simply wrong in what you say about fitting the sound moderator.  Unfortunately instead of accepting the correction with good grace you resort to denigration of me.  You clearly do not have the knowledge or experience you claim and it is important that other members are not misled.

http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?produktID=313&menu=106&sprache=1&produktShow=detail&PHPSESSID=77f29b217478cf5d82b7c0201cc4e627

You will see that a barrel thread is not present.
Try downloading the parts manual as well...............no projecting thread.

I wonder how a silencer is fitted..............Hmmmmmmmmm

You do not know a thing about me and therefore you cannot state with any certainty what I do or don't know......What I do know is I am considerably older than you and from what I can tell, I have been involved in relevant issues considerably more than you.

Lets leave it at that, shall we?

[ngb1066]

http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?produktID=313&menu=106&sprache=1&produktShow=detail&PHPSESSID=77f29b217478cf5d82b7c0201cc4e627

You will see that a barrel thread is not present.
Try downloading the parts manual as well...............no projecting thread.

I wonder how a silencer is fitted..............Hmmmmmmmmm

You do not know a thing about me and therefore you cannot state with any certainty what I do or don't know......What I do know is I am considerably older than you and from what I can tell, I have been involved in relevant issues considerably more than you.

Lets leave it at that, shall we?

Do yourself a favour and go to the archive section of this site.  Look at the photographs showing the Anschutz rifle used at WHF.  You will see that the end of the barrel is threaded.  When you have done that perhaps you will be good enough to agree that you have been mistaken.  An apology would not go amiss, but I will leave that for you to decide.

I have no idea how old you are so obviously cannot say whether your relevant experience exceeds mine, but for what it is worth I have over 40 years experience of shotguns and firearms.

 

[ngb1066]

In your previous post you attempted to suggest your knowledge was better than mine, but you obviously cannot make you mind up, which is why I said let's leave it at that......I do not intend disclosing my background.

Those photos are not clear enough to say for certain, but as far as I am concerned it is a threaded insert into the barrel end.........it is virtually the same as the OEM one in mine which has no flats either.

It is a replaceable insert in the event the threading becomes damaged whilst being used without a silencer............and despite the photo quality, if you look hard enough you can see see the thread cutting disappearing into the barrel.

FYI....I also have a PH adaptor for another silencer and an OEM Anshutz barrel end ferrule which is screwed into the barrel end when the OEM adaptor isn't in use, that way no threads inside or outside the barrel are exposed.

I give up!

[JackAll]

I give up!

I should...see above, Neil.

[ngb1066]

I should...see above, Neil.

You will not let go.  You are obviously trying to goad.  I know I should ignore you and let others form their own judgement in the light of our respective posts.  However, my irritation has got the better of me.  You really are a stubborn idiot and you clearly have no idea about the subject of which you profess to be an expert.  I suspect your knowledge, such as it is, is gleaned from internet searches rather than experience.