The two telephone calls (3:26am and 3;36am):-

[mike tesko]

As you can all see, PC West did not record what Jeremy told him, "You have got to help me", in his 3:36am log, furthermore, Bonnet makes a similar mistake in his 3.26am by presenting the contents of the log as though Ralph Bamber had made that call, whilst the contents of PC Wests  3;36am log, present the case for the call only being made by Jeremy...

Well, well, well, now there's a funny thing, because neither of these logs include the all important information relayed to the police by Jeremy, it was the very first thing he said to them, "You have got to help me"...

You see, what I know with certainty, is that there were two different phone calls to police, and a third call relayed to the police as a result of the attack alarm at the scene having been activated. OK, I know some of you will want to see hard evidence to back that up, but you are going to have to wait a little while longer before I give you that / this. In the meantime, I choose to draw your attention to the following, designed to make each and everyone of you think long and hard about all the discrepancies surrounding these phone logs...

If you want to know, hang on...

You can tell the content of the log created by PC West has been doctored, by reference to it, and the continuing page, where details are duplicated, a duplication technique which I call "overlap"...

[Alias]

It is very strange with these times, and it is very strange how almost all aspects of this case have to be "bent" to make sense of Jeremy as the culprit. Nothing is clear cut.

[mike tesko]

It is very strange with these times, and it is very strange how almost all aspects of this case have to be "bent" to make sense of Jeremy as the culprit. Nothing is clear cut.

Hi Alias,

Have a look at this, which is recorded on the reverse of log 3.36am:-

[mike tesko]

According to the contents of the above, Jeremy did not arrive at the scene until 4:13am...

More worryingly...

The operator made a call to the scene, and although answered, the handset was left off the hook by somebody who was still alive inside the farmhouse by that stage...

This is extremely interesting, because when Jeremy contacted the police at 3.36am, it means that some 6 minutes into his call to PC west, there was someone still alive inside the farmhouse, meaning that Jeremy Bamber could not possibly be responsible for killing that person. Furthermore, if the timing of Jeremys call to police had been timed at 3.26am, instead of 3.36am, then there must have been someone still alive inside whf some 16 minutes after Jeremy contacted police - so there it is, the truth laid bare, Jeremy could not be responsible for killing the person who answered the phone at the scene from the operator at 3:42am...

[mike tesko]

If the clock that was relied upon to make the log contents timed at 3.36am was 10 minutes fast, so as to make the actual time of the log, 3.26am, how could Jeremy arrive at the scene according to the same log at 4.13am, be altered to 3.52am, if the clock was 10 minutes fast? How can the same clock which is being relied upon to record timed events surrounding the developing incident at the scene, be accurate, be 10 minutes fast, or whenever it suits the police, be 21 minutes fast?

[mike tesko]

If the clock that was relied upon to make the log contents timed at 3.36am was 10 minutes fast, so as to make the actual time of the log, 3.26am, how could Jeremy arrive at the scene according to the same log at 4.13am, be altered to 3.52am, if the clock was 10 minutes fast? How can the same clock which is being relied upon to record timed events surrounding the developing incident at the scene, be accurate, be 10 minutes fast, or whenever it suits the police, be 21 minutes fast?

With this shambolic state of affairs thriving, when did the operator make that all important first telephone call to the scene, recorded as having occurred at 3.42am? Was the timing of that call really 3.42am, or did it occur 10 minutes beforehand (3.32am), or 21 minutes beforehand (3.21am)?

If Jeremy made his call to police at 3.36am, or 3.26am, and the operator called the scene at 3;21am, only to find someone who answered the call had then left the handset off the hook, it means that police had an interest in the goings on at whf long before Jeremy called the police...

[mike tesko]

With this shambolic state of affairs thriving, when did the operator make that all important first telephone call to the scene, recorded as having occurred at 3.42am? Was the timing of that call really 3.42am, or did it occur 10 minutes beforehand (3.32am), or 21 minutes beforehand (3.21am)?

If Jeremy made his call to police at 3.36am, or 3.26am, and the operator called the scene at 3;21am, only to find someone who answered the call had then left the handset off the hook, it means that police had an interest in the goings on at whf long before Jeremy called the police...

Why would police be showing an interest in the goings on at whf (3.21am) before jeremy contacted the police at either 3.36am, or 3.26am, unless the police were responding to the attack alarm which had been activated, or someone had tried to call the police before jeremy did...

[Caroline R]

According to the contents of the above, Jeremy did not arrive at the scene until 4:13am...

More worryingly...

The operator made a call to the scene, and although answered, the handset was left off the hook by somebody who was still alive inside the farmhouse by that stage...

This is extremely interesting, because when Jeremy contacted the police at 3.36am, it means that some 6 minutes into his call to PC west, there was someone still alive inside the farmhouse, meaning that Jeremy Bamber could not possibly be responsible for killing that person. Furthermore, if the timing of Jeremys call to police had been timed at 3.26am, instead of 3.36am, then there must have been someone still alive inside whf some 16 minutes after Jeremy contacted police - so there it is, the truth laid bare, Jeremy could not be responsible for killing the person who answered the phone at the scene from the operator at 3:42am...

How do you mean 'answered'? I was under the impression that the operator simply connected to the line and was able to tell the phone was off the hook?

[lookout]

In those days,,if the phone was off the hook you'd hear a voice telling you.Now of course,,it's a noise ( electronically ) So when the police entered,,they'd have heard the " voice " on the phone. The same as the raid team,as they too would have heard the operator telling you to reconnect. The voice inside.-------

[mike tesko]

How do you mean 'answered'? I was under the impression that the operator simply connected to the line and was able to tell the phone was off the hook?

Contents of the log, confirm that at 3.42am, farm was contacted by GPO and left off hook:-

[Caroline R]

Contents of the log, confirm that at 3.42am, farm was contacted by GPO and left off hook:-

Oh OK, when you said 'answered' I thought you meant someone physically picked it up from the farmhouse side. In which case, we wouldn't all be here debating the case 

[mike tesko]

There is something seriously wrong with PC Wests log (3.36am), the timings are all to cock...

How can the force room clock be 10  minutes fast when Jeremy makes his call and speaks with PC west, yet it be 21 minutes fast when West records the arrival of Jeremy at the scene (4.13am)? How interesting that according to this account, the occupants of CA07 requested the attendance of the firearms team to the scene (4.11am), before the arrival of Jeremy at the scene two minutes later (4.13am), when by other accounts, Jeremy had arrived at the scene at 3;52am, and more importantly, Jeremy had apparently accompanied PC Myall and PS Bews on a view of the premises, to try and ascertain the current state of play...

[mike tesko]

There is something seriously wrong with PC Wests log (3.36am), the timings are all to cock...

How can the force room clock be 10  minutes fast when Jeremy makes his call and speaks with PC west, yet it be 21 minutes fast when West records the arrival of Jeremy at the scene (4.13am)? How interesting that according to this account, the occupants of CA07 requested the attendance of the firearms team to the scene (4.11am), before the arrival of Jeremy at the scene two minutes later (4.13am), when by other accounts, Jeremy had arrived at the scene at 3;52am, and more importantly, Jeremy had apparently accompanied PC Myall and PS Bews on a view of the premises, to try and ascertain the current state of play...

What if, Jeremy didn't or hadn't arrived at the scene until 4.13am?

How would that sit with the suggestion that at 4.02am, the occupants of CA07 had requested the attendance of the firearms team, 11 minutes before Jeremy himself had arrived at the farm to meet the police? Did the police take a second look around the farmhouse, after Jeremys arrival at the scene (4.13am), and if so, why has this important feature been displaced in time by some 11 minutes? Has this got anything to do with the fact that two different calls were made to the police, one by Ralph Bamber,  (3.26am), and the other by Jeremy Bamber (3.36am)...

[mike tesko]

Oh OK, when you said 'answered' I thought you meant someone physically picked it up from the farmhouse side. In which case, we wouldn't all be here debating the case 

I think the log entry, timed at 3.42am, implies that prior to Jeremy arriving at the scene, fathers phone called GPO, and was left off hook - and that somebody later could have added the word "By", thus changing the meaning of the notes, hence why the notes were rewritten on the reverse of page 1 of log 3.36am...

[mike tesko]

Nothing could be clearer, the phone at whf called the GPO - it was the attack alarm, activated by someone still alive inside the farmhouse...