The two telephone calls (3:26am and 3;36am):-

[mike tesko]

"My daughter has got one of my guns", versus, "Sheila has got the gun, she has gone crazy, come quickly"...

[mike tesko]

"My daughter has got one of my guns", versus, "Sheila has got the gun, she has gone crazy, come quickly"...

How is it possible, for information passed at either 3;36am, or 3;26am, by Jeremy to the police, to be interpreted so differently, if the contents of the two logs, refer to one and the same call made by Jeremy?

[Alias]

Well, it is hard to imagine the wording turning out like that if this was scribbled down in connection to a call made by Jeremy Bamber!

[lookout]

"My daughter has got one of my guns", versus, "Sheila has got the gun, she has gone crazy, come quickly"...

Mike,,you know as well as I do that the police put words into your mouth,,then whatever you've said goes full circle to confuse you,,while they've already written down what they've said,and not what you said.

[mike tesko]

Mike,,you know as well as I do that the police put words into your mouth,,then whatever you've said goes full circle to confuse you,,while they've already written down what they've said,and not what you said.

Good point...

[mike tesko]

Well, it is hard to imagine the wording turning out like that if this was scribbled down in connection to a call made by Jeremy Bamber!

What I don't get, is that Jeremys call to police is supposed to have lasted 10/11 minutes, and the two phone logs are 10 minutes apart, but PC West says the clock was wrong by 10 minutes, which puts his log at the same time as Bonnets, but the content is totally different - Jeremy never told police what was recorded in the 3.26am phone log...

The whole thing just doesn't add up to both logs being reference to one telephone call, with the force clock supposedly being 10 minutes fast - I must remember not to ask a policeman for the time whilst in Essex...

[Alias]

What I don't get, is that Jeremys call to police is supposed to have lasted 10/11 minutes, and the two phone logs are 10 minutes apart, but PC West says the clock was wrong by 10 minutes, which puts his log at the same time as Bonnets, but the content is totally different - Jeremy never told police what was recorded in the 3.26am phone log...

The whole thing just doesn't add up to both logs being reference to one telephone call, with the force clock supposedly being 10 minutes fast - I must remember not to ask a policeman for the time whilst in Essex...

 

[Jane]

What I don't get, is that Jeremys call to police is supposed to have lasted 10/11 minutes, and the two phone logs are 10 minutes apart, but PC West says the clock was wrong by 10 minutes, which puts his log at the same time as Bonnets, but the content is totally different - Jeremy never told police what was recorded in the 3.26am phone log...

The whole thing just doesn't add up to both logs being reference to one telephone call, with the force clock supposedly being 10 minutes fast - I must remember not to ask a policeman for the time whilst in Essex...

Mike, there was a time when you could trust it, but now it's safer to have your own watch so you can check that they're telling the truth

[RodCrosby]

Can anyone explain the age discrepancy in the two logs (26 versus 27), other than them coming from 2 separate calls?

[Caroline R]

Can anyone explain the age discrepancy in the two logs (26 versus 27), other than them coming from 2 separate calls?

Well, I certainly can't 

[Caroline R]

What I don't get, is that Jeremys call to police is supposed to have lasted 10/11 minutes, and the two phone logs are 10 minutes apart, but PC West says the clock was wrong by 10 minutes, which puts his log at the same time as Bonnets, but the content is totally different - Jeremy never told police what was recorded in the 3.26am phone log...

The whole thing just doesn't add up to both logs being reference to one telephone call, with the force clock supposedly being 10 minutes fast - I must remember not to ask a policeman for the time whilst in Essex...

Hi Mike, PC West said clock was correct when it was suggested to him at trial that it was incorrect

[mike tesko]

Hi Mike, PC West said clock was correct when it was suggested to him at trial that it was incorrect

Hi Caroline,

Yes, I think his evidence has been twisted, and played basically on the timing of the call he received from Jeremy, without both the 3;36am and the 3;26am logs being produced, which clearly do not contain the same information - disclosure of the contents of the 3:26am log did not occur until after the 2002 appeal. If it had been disclosed at the 2002 appeal and compared against the content of the 3;36am log, and laid bare at that stage for all to see, the convictions would almost certainly have been quashed...

What becomes clear by reference to PC Wests court transcript (produced) is that he says he had spoken to the information room on a previous occasion to the one in question, and there was obviously some confusion over which call was made and when. So, there were two calls, not one, with two different times given to a solitary call - there were two calls, not one, he said so in his testimony, basically he was lying through his teeth...

[maggie]

Hi Caroline,

Yes, I think his evidence has been twisted, and played basically on the timing of the call he received from Jeremy, without both the 3;36am and the 3;26am logs being produced, which clearly do not contain the same information - disclosure of the contents of the 3:26am log did not occur until after the 2002 appeal. If it had been disclosed at the 2002 appeal and compared against the content of the 3;36am log, and laid bare at that stage for all to see, the convictions would almost certainly have been quashed...

What becomes clear by reference to PC Wests court transcript (produced) is that he says he had spoken to the information room on a previous occasion to the one in question, and there was obviously some confusion over which call was made and when. So, there were two calls, not one, with two different times given to a solitary call - there were two calls, not one, he said so in his testimony, basically he was lying through his teeth...

Caroline/Mike that is very interesting.

[mike tesko]

Do you know something, it really distresses me that police made such a cock up of tampering with the two calls, aforementioned, and they are still trying to maintain these two calls were the same call, but neither of the two logs (3;26am and 3.36am) include what Jeremy actually said to PC West, as demonstrated by the following extracted log contents, and transcript of PC West / Bonnet...

"You have got to help me"...

[mike tesko]

As you can all see, PC West did not record what Jeremy told him, "You have got to help me", in his 3:36am log, furthermore, Bonnet makes a similar mistake in his 3.26am by presenting the contents of the log as though Ralph Bamber had made that call, whilst the contents of PC Wests  3;36am log, present the case for the call only being made by Jeremy...

Well, well, well, now there's a funny thing, because neither of these logs include the all important information relayed to the police by Jeremy, it was the very first thing he said to them, "You have got to help me"...

You see, what I know with certainty, is that there were two different phone calls to police, and a third call relayed to the police as a result of the attack alarm at the scene having been activated. OK, I know some of you will want to see hard evidence to back that up, but you are going to have to wait a little while longer before I give you that / this. In the meantime, I choose to draw your attention to the following, designed to make each and everyone of you think long and hard about all the discrepancies surrounding these phone logs...

If you want to know, hang on...