Neglect and the Effect on Developing Brains of Babies/Small Children

[killingeve]

Well that too,NN,,but the brains of those who drink alcohol regularly,and those who are addicted,,show a marked difference compared with how the brain should look,,so lifestyle whichever way you look at it,alters the brain,,not just those in unhappy/neglected children.

Hi Lookout

No I disagree.  Neglect in early childhood fundamentally changes brain development by inhibiting/changing growth/structure.  The brain of an adult who abuses substances is already fully developed.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Lookout

No I disagree.  Neglect in early childhood fundamentally changes brain development by inhibiting/changing growth/structure.  The brain of an adult who abuses substances is already fully developed.

Yet from reading Patti's thread on Phyllis Webb or Sheila Caffell as we know her she was thriving and putting on weight in those early stages of her life. I don't recall reading any early signs of childhood schizophrenia either.

[Jane]

Yet from reading Patti's thread on Phyllis Webb or Sheila Caffell as we know her she was thriving and putting on weight in those early stages of her life. I don't recall reading any early signs of childhood schizophrenia either.

Steve, "baby is putting on weight and thriving" is a standard round robin letter sent out from adoption agencies. I have in my possession a similarly worded letter referring to me at a similar age to Sheila.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, "baby is putting on weight and thriving" is a standard round robin letter sent out from adoption agencies. I have in my possession a similarly worded letter referring to me at a similar age to Sheila.

Well I don't read any problems at such an early stage or surely they would have been remarked upon. I'm surprised the Sheila bashers haven't delved yet into the meaning of her Christian name:

The name Phyllis is a Greek baby name. In Greek the meaning of the name Phyllis is: Leafy foliage; green bough. In Greek legend, Phyllis was changed to an almond tree after her death, and bore no leaves until her lover returned.



People with this name have a deep inner desire to serve humanity and to give to others by sharing money, knowledge and experience, or creative and artistic ability.

People with this name tend to be idealistic, highly imaginative, intuitive, and spiritual. They seek after spiritual truth and often find it. They tend to be visionary and may inspire others. If they fail to develop their potential, they may become dreamers, or misuse power.

I've also read the Phyllis in Greek mythology hanged herself from a tree..

[lookout]

Professor Sir Roy Meadows reckoned he knew all about abuse,etc in children---------------but he didn't.!
He was very wrong on a number of occasions.That's why I take no notice of others views and follow my own senses.

[Jane]

Well I don't read any problems at such an early stage or surely they would have been remarked upon. I'm surprised the Sheila bashers haven't delved yet into the meaning of her Christian name:

The name Phyllis is a Greek baby name. In Greek the meaning of the name Phyllis is: Leafy foliage; green bough. In Greek legend, Phyllis was changed to an almond tree after her death, and bore no leaves until her lover returned.



People with this name have a deep inner desire to serve humanity and to give to others by sharing money, knowledge and experience, or creative and artistic ability.

People with this name tend to be idealistic, highly imaginative, intuitive, and spiritual. They seek after spiritual truth and often find it. They tend to be visionary and may inspire others. If they fail to develop their potential, they may become dreamers, or misuse power.

I've also read the Phyllis in Greek mythology hanged herself from a tree..

Steve, I would be AMAZED if you had seen a problem. I would argue VERY strongly that there are NO "Sheila bashers" here, however, I am intrigued by your delving into her given name of Phyllis. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to do the same with April.

[lookout]

Steve, I would be AMAZED if you had seen a problem. I would argue VERY strongly that there are NO "Sheila bashers" here, however, I am intrigued by your delving into her given name of Phyllis. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to do the same with April.

Oh I'm sure he will,April.Steve's very obliging and accommodating.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, I would be AMAZED if you had seen a problem. I would argue VERY strongly that there are NO "Sheila bashers" here, however, I am intrigued by your delving into her given name of Phyllis. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to do the same with April.

Well on the plus side you are sociable,original,inventive and positive.

On the downside you do tend to put things off and you may go bald.http://www.kabalarians.com/Male/april.htm

[Jane]

Well on the plus side you are sociable,original,inventive and positive.

On the downside you do tend to put things off and you may go bald.http://www.kabalarians.com/Male/april.htm

Steve, MANY thanks. It 95% describes who I am...................or more correctly, who I was. Perhaps I've finally become who I was always meant to be

[lookout]

That could be me in lots of ways,April.

[killingeve]

Professor Sir Roy Meadows reckoned he knew all about abuse,etc in children---------------but he didn't.!
He was very wrong on a number of occasions.That's why I take no notice of others views and follow my own senses.

Morning Lookout

The above was a little known phenomenon 'sudden infant death syndrome' and Roy Meadows got his stats all wrong when presenting to the jury.

The adverse effects of neglect on the developing brains of small babies/children are universally accepted across the scientific community. 

[killingeve]

Yet from reading Patti's thread on Phyllis Webb or Sheila Caffell as we know her she was thriving and putting on weight in those early stages of her life. I don't recall reading any early signs of childhood schizophrenia either.

Morning Steve_uk

I don't believe there are any "Sheila bashers" on this forum.  It appears to me that all those who believe JB a victim of a MoJ see SC as a victim too.

As April has stated I too have in my possession a copy letter from the adoption agency to my birth mother stating that I was putting on weight. 

IMO there is much evidence pointing to SC having issues throughout her life:

- Telling CC she could recall being left in a pram in the garden crying for hours.
- Expelled from school
- Under achieving at school
- Unhappy at boarding school
- Left WHF as soon as she could
- Unplanned pregnancies
- Married young which was short lived
- Unable to find stable employment
- Dependant on others financially
- Difficulty parenting her children
- Use of illegal drugs
- Mental illness

I truly believe that had SC grown up with her birth family or been adopted by a suitable family that she would not have suffered all of the above. 

I'm not going round in circles with you and Lookout on the above.  All the scientific evidence shows that new born babies separated from their birth mothers and growing up without 'genetic mirroring' are at risk of emotional and psychological problems.  Most overcome these potential problems as they grow up in loving and supportive adoptive families and/or the individual's coping mechanisms are such that he/she can ride it out.  With SC she suffered abrupt and frequent changes in primary caregivers and more importantly it is highly likely she suffered neglect in the run up to June's mental illness '59.  SC needed to be super human to overcome everything that was stacked against her. 

[lookout]

To be super-human is dependent on the genetic make-up of a person. There are lots of people who would " ride out the storm ". Strength of character counts for a lot.Jeremy is a prime example.

[Jane]

To be super-human is dependent on the genetic make-up of a person. There are lots of people who would " ride out the storm ". Strength of character counts for a lot.Jeremy is a prime example.

Another interesting "snippet" from the Sunday Mail. A drummer in a group I've never heard of says his younger brother is a schizophrenic and very lovingly refers to him as a "nutter." So much for another of Steve's insinuations of Jeremy, don't you think.

[lookout]

Another interesting "snippet" from the Sunday Mail. A drummer in a group I've never heard of says his younger brother is a schizophrenic and very lovingly refers to him as a "nutter." So much for another of Steve's insinuations of Jeremy, don't you think.

Which page is that on,April.? Thankyou.