Does Jones slip here??????

[Jane]

I don't think it matters who he called first. I'd say he called Julie first but later realised that Jones was making an issue out of it so he said he called the police first.

Caroline, that's reasonable. As he probably hadn't had to do much thinking for himself, he possibly wasn't certain what to do first, so phoning bossy Julie makes sense. However, when questioned by the police he may have felt embarrassed/guilty about admitting this so said he called the police first.

[Reader]

Not in the scenario that he then phones Julie, which he said he did because he was pissed at the police.

And it would be cutting it fine even without that.

But that wasn't how you made your case originally, as you wanted to insert 11 minutes. Your new point is not an issue for me, as I think he phoned JM before the police, probably at some point between 3:15am and 3:30am. Whether it's "cutting it fine then" is interesting, but it seems no-one on the forum has done the drive at night to see just how long it takes at night. We don't even know the exact distance by road, as different websites don't precisely agree about that. I doubt that he deliberately lied about this during his interview, and I would like to see a copy of the corresponding handwritten statement, as he has indicated to mike tesko that some of his statements were not typed up accurately.

[susan]

Hi april/Caroline I think Jeremy phoned Julie first as he needed some support (think he was quite weak) and she was the strong one of the two but her response was go back to bed so he would have felt somewhat deflated and felt embarrassed that he had taken this action as he should have phoned the police first just my thoughts of course.

[lookout]

This is the sad thing about the police,,they don't take into consideration the personalities of people. No study is done to try and suss out individuals. Instead,,they're all clumped together as one criminal to another. There's no understanding within certain classes of people. Unfortunately for Jeremy, JM was his only contact,,,no father behind him to make any suggestions or for advice. I don't find anything strange or odd in what Jeremy did by phoning JM,,even though it did him no good and she certainly didn't do him any favours afterwards either.

[Jane]

This is the sad thing about the police,,they don't take into consideration the personalities of people. No study is done to try and suss out individuals. Instead,,they're all clumped together as one criminal to another. There's no understanding within certain classes of people. Unfortunately for Jeremy, JM was his only contact,,,no father behind him to make any suggestions or for advice. I don't find anything strange or odd in what Jeremy did by phoning JM,,even though it did him no good and she certainly didn't do him any favours afterwards either.

Lookout, just like one of our favourite posters, psychologists they AIN'T

[maggie]

This is the sad thing about the police,,they don't take into consideration the personalities of people. No study is done to try and suss out individuals. Instead,,they're all clumped together as one criminal to another. There's no understanding within certain classes of people. Unfortunately for Jeremy, JM was his only contact,,,no father behind him to make any suggestions or for advice. I don't find anything strange or odd in what Jeremy did by phoning JM,,even though it did him no good and she certainly didn't do him any favours afterwards either.
[/quote)In total agreement with you there lookout, think that probably sums the situation up.

[Jane]

Hi april/Caroline I think Jeremy phoned Julie first as he needed some support (think he was quite weak) and she was the strong one of the two but her response was go back to bed so he would have felt somewhat deflated and felt embarrassed that he had taken this action as he should have phoned the police first just my thoughts of course.

And very valid thoughts they are, Susan

[lookout]

Lookout, just like one of our favourite posters, psychologists they AIN'T

Absolutely,April. All they see is " money,,public school,posh,etc etc ",,and beyond that is a person who's ignored.

[No-Bits]

But that wasn't how you made your case originally, as you wanted to insert 11 minutes. Your new point is not an issue for me, as I think he phoned JM before the police, probably at some point between 3:15am and 3:30am. Whether it's "cutting it fine then" is interesting, but it seems no-one on the forum has done the drive at night to see just how long it takes at night. We don't even know the exact distance by road, as different websites don't precisely agree about that. I doubt that he deliberately lied about this during his interview, and I would like to see a copy of the corresponding handwritten statement, as he has indicated to mike tesko that some of his statements were not typed up accurately.

My 11 minutes was in response to the post that I quoted, which mentioned 3:37 rather than 3:36.

Regardless of that, if the call ended at 3:41, then JB would need to get to WHF in between 7 and 9 minutes, counting from the second the receiver was replaced. Even if he didn't phone JM, was already dressed in his two jumpers, already combed his hair, already had his shoes on and already had his car keys in hand, then it would still be unlikely (and I'm being generous here) that he could make the journey in that time.

We also already know that JB called the police at 3:26. Take away the call duration and that gives him 17-19 minutes to ready himself and make the journey, which is a much more realistic time frame.

[HMEssex]

Head Street, Goldhanger to Pages Lane is a distance of 2.7 miles (according to Google maps).

A 5 minute journey by car.

[Jane]

Head Street, Goldhanger to Pages Lane is a distance of 2.7 miles (according to Google maps).

A 5 minute journey by car.

HME, that really surprises me. When I travelled that road last year, I can recall that I thought it much further than I'd imagined from Goldhanger to the junction with Tollesbury Road.

[HMEssex]

HME, that really surprises me. When I travelled that road last year, I can recall that I thought it much further than I'd imagined from Goldhanger to the junction with Tollesbury Road.

Maybe because the roads are so winding?

I nearly went yesterday. I was in Heybridge but couldn't be bothered to go there too, had to get home.

[killingeve]

Maybe because the roads are so winding?

I nearly went yesterday. I was in Heybridge but couldn't be bothered to go there too, had to get home.

Hi HME

I should have checked the time on my visit two weeks ago.  How about you doing it being a local gal?  . It's a windy road, but  a road JB was familiar with.  I assume the quickest route is leave Bourtree to the right, hang a left past The Chequers and that road takes you to WHF.  The alternative is to take a left out of Bourtree and then a right at T junction.  I believe there was another junction before hitting the road to WHF.  I can't see why JB would have taken the second route   

[HMEssex]

Hi HME

I should have checked the time on my visit two weeks ago.  How about you doing it being a local gal?  . It's a windy road, but  a road JB was familiar with.  I assume the quickest route is leave Bourtree to the right, hang a left past The Chequers and that road takes you to WHF.  The alternative is to take a left out of Bourtree and then a right at T junction.  I believe there was another junction before hitting the road to WHF.  I can't see why JB would have taken the second route 

Well maybe I'll try next time I'm there!

Maybe it depended which way his car was facing as he'd arrived home from WHF already? Might not make much difference, and it was early hours so no traffic (apart from panda car with blue lights coming up behind him!)

[Reader]

My 11 minutes was in response to the post that I quoted, which mentioned 3:37 rather than 3:36.

Regardless of that, if the call ended at 3:41, then JB would need to get to WHF in between 7 and 9 minutes, counting from the second the receiver was replaced. Even if he didn't phone JM, was already dressed in his two jumpers, already combed his hair, already had his shoes on and already had his car keys in hand, then it would still be unlikely (and I'm being generous here) that he could make the journey in that time.

We also already know that JB called the police at 3:26. Take away the call duration and that gives him 17-19 minutes to ready himself and make the journey, which is a much more realistic time frame.

Obviously, JB would have had more time if he called the police at 3:26. However, JB has never let us know exactly when he got dressed, so we don't know whether he still needed to do that after calling Chelmsford police station. What we do know for certain is that mike tesko has driven the route and posted a video of his trip on youtube. At one point in the video, he slows down considerably, and then a bit later, he stops to talk briefly to the camera, but he still does the whole trip in around 7 1/2 minutes. This is proof that the route can be done without any extreme driving in under 7 1/2 minutes. It's not reasonable in the light of that to claim it's unlikely that JB could have done much the same. Provided he left home straight after the call, he did have enough time to make the trip exactly as his supporters believe.