First person to challenge the ruling made by the ECHR

[Patti]

Arthur Hutchinson triple murderer aged 73 has become the first person to challenge his whole life tariff following the new ruling by the ECHR.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23780889

[lookout]

Hi Patti,,it wouldn't be a bad idea to start with a review of Jeremys' present position as someone who is inside and who doesn't deserve to be.
The more that Jeremy is seen to be clumped among other REAL lifers doesn't give him a chance in Hell to make any sort of an appeal. Unless people know the Bamber case inside out,then Jeremy is just going to be seen as another lifer who deserves to rot in jail.
I'm fast losing patience with the system,,and if Jeremy wasn't in the equation,then yes,,the others can rot for all I care.

[Patti]

Hi Patti,,it wouldn't be a bad idea to start with a review of Jeremys' present position as someone who is inside and who doesn't deserve to be.
The more that Jeremy is seen to be clumped among other REAL lifers doesn't give him a chance in Hell to make any sort of an appeal. Unless people know the Bamber case inside out,then Jeremy is just going to be seen as another lifer who deserves to rot in jail.
I'm fast losing patience with the system,,and if Jeremy wasn't in the equation,then yes,,the others can rot for all I care.

Sadly Lookout as it stands Jeremy is serving a whole life term for murdering 5 members of his family and from what I gather the above does not apply to him at this stage, unless of course new evidence is found or some new legal argument.....

But, this is one to watch...I suppose! 

[Jane]

Hi Patti,,it wouldn't be a bad idea to start with a review of Jeremys' present position as someone who is inside and who doesn't deserve to be.
The more that Jeremy is seen to be clumped among other REAL lifers doesn't give him a chance in Hell to make any sort of an appeal. Unless people know the Bamber case inside out,then Jeremy is just going to be seen as another lifer who deserves to rot in jail.
I'm fast losing patience with the system,,and if Jeremy wasn't in the equation,then yes,,the others can rot for all I care.

Lookout, a review doesn't necessarily mean that there will be any change to the sentence. If it's never been suggested that this animal DIDN'T commit these horrendous murders or multirape a wedding guest, then the fact remains that he DID and all the reviews in the world won't alter that fact.

[Patti]

Lookout, a review doesn't necessarily mean that there will be any change to the sentence. If it's never been suggested that this animal DIDN'T commit these horrendous murders or multirape a wedding guest, then the fact remains that he DID and all the reviews in the world won't alter that fact.

April, am I to believe that the ruling is that one is likely to get a review given time and, they will have to consider whether or not he has rehabilitated, a danger to society, suffers from ill health/infirm/disability and of course his dangerousness.....It sounds very complicated to me.. 

[nugnug]

i cant see why jeremy bamber has bothered with challengeing his tarrif it wont lead to his release anyway.

[susan]

Hello Patti

maybe the ruling gives Jeremy a feeling of hope and also I feel sure new evidence will be uncovered in due course.  Looking forward to Mason Doyle's book which I am sure will be out soon and who knows maybe will reveal a little of something different to what we have now.

[Patti]

i cant see why jeremy bamber has bothered with challengeing his tarrif it wont lead to his release anyway.

I suppose his human rights are now in line with the rest of Europe Nugs....Which mean he will have a review at some stage I would think, but its been said this wont help him because he wont stop the fight for to prove his innocence...But, surely at some stage he will have a review based on certain factors like ill health or he becomes infirm....I'm not sure about it all, it so complicated.  But, I agree why did he make the challenge if it does not benefit him in some way? Odd! 

Hello Patti

maybe the ruling gives Jeremy a feeling of hope and also I feel sure new evidence will be uncovered in due course.  Looking forward to Mason Doyle's book which I am sure will be out soon and who knows maybe will reveal a little of something different to what we have now.

I hope so Susan, shall look forward to the announcement of when the book will be released....

[Jane]

April, am I to believe that the ruling is that one is likely to get a review given time and, they will have to consider whether or not he has rehabilitated, a danger to society, suffers from ill health/infirm/disability and of course his dangerousness.....It sounds very complicated to me.. 

Patti HI. I think it will work out to be waaaaaay more complicated than it, at first, seemed. I feel perfectly certain that an automatic review, followed by immediate release after a prisoner has served 25 years, is not on the cards any time soon, and IMO, that's how it should remain. Do we really want Ian Huntley and people like him to be released onto the streets? This MAY be about giving "lifers" hope in that they have a voice that is heard, but my feeling is that there are certain lifers for whom "life" WILL mean life.

[lookout]

Lookout, a review doesn't necessarily mean that there will be any change to the sentence. If it's never been suggested that this animal DIDN'T commit these horrendous murders or multirape a wedding guest, then the fact remains that he DID and all the reviews in the world won't alter that fact.

April,,I understand what you're saying,,but it does Jeremy no favours at all to be in the same class as these evil blighters. 

[Jane]

I suppose his human rights are now in line with the rest of Europe Nugs....Which mean he will have a review at some stage I would think, but its been said this wont help him because he wont stop the fight for to prove his innocence...But, surely at some stage he will have a review based on certain factors like ill health or he becomes infirm....I'm not sure about it all, it so complicated.  But, I agree why did he make the challenge if it does not benefit him in some way? Odd!  ............................

Patti, I believe that to qualify for a review, the prisoner has to admit guilt because rehabilitation can't be deemed to have started until such time so No, this will not benefit Jeremy in any way unless, God forbid, he becomes terminally ill or simply very old.

[Patti]

Patti HI. I think it will work out to be waaaaaay more complicated than it, at first, seemed. I feel perfectly certain that an automatic review, followed by immediate release after a prisoner has served 25 years, is not on the cards any time soon, and IMO, that's how it should remain. Do we really want Ian Huntley and people like him to be released onto the streets? This MAY be about giving "lifers" hope in that they have a voice that is heard, but my feeling is that there are certain lifers for whom "life" WILL mean life.

I was just reading about Huntley....he was given 40 years so he wont have a review until that sentence has been served...and rightly so.  Its bloody fascinating to say the least...I don't think anyone is going to be released hopefully, but this guy is the first one to make a challenge.....I dare bet other prisoners will follow suit....watch that space and this one lol      Not that I find any of it funny, because I would hate killers walking our streets....but, on saying that there is some out there already that have never been caught....

[Patti]

Patti, I believe that to qualify for a review, the prisoner has to admit guilt because rehabilitation can't be deemed to have started until such time so No, this will not benefit Jeremy in any way unless, God forbid, he becomes terminally ill or simply very old.

I think you are right April and that is why it wont help Jeremy....Like Nugs I have to question why he took it to the ECHR in the first place...

[nugnug]

I suppose his human rights are now in line with the rest of Europe Nugs....Which mean he will have a review at some stage I would think, but its been said this wont help him because he wont stop the fight for to prove his innocence...But, surely at some stage he will have a review based on certain factors like ill health or he becomes infirm....I'm not sure about it all, it so complicated.  But, I agree why did he make the challenge if it does not benefit him in some way? Odd! 

I hope so Susan, shall look forward to the announcement of when the book will be released....

i dont think its a good idea if your cliaming innocence it seends out a mixed message which makes people think your guilty.

[lookout]

Another question is why did Jeremy expect to serve 18 months to 2 years.? Something he'd actually said himself.What for,I ask.? Did he think it was concerning the cannabis or the theft from the caravan site.?
For some unknown reason,,he was expecting to go to jail for something.