The Blood in the Silencer

[Roch]

Possibly. You asked about Pc Lay's statement some time ago, but I don't know whether it's been posted. There is a short message by Pc Lay posted here, but it's not what you were asking about.

Are these the notes of PC Lay? Or are they notes jotted by COLP, from PC Lay? It would be interesting to read the next page, the content of which starts at the end this page with 'He'

[Nickos]

The point about JB stating “it was them that killed them” – “those men with the guns” cuts both ways of course.

JB Innocent: a concerned reaction from a confused young man.

JB Guilty:  a deliberate attempt to complicate the situation, and throw the light further from himself.

He just can’t win!!

It would be good to see the next page though.

[Roch]

The point about JB stating “it was them that killed them” – “those men with the guns” cuts both ways of course.

JB Innocent: a concerned reaction from a confused young man.

JB Guilty:  a deliberate attempt to complicate the situation, and throw the light further from himself.

He just can’t win!!

It would be good to see the next page though.

Hi Nickos.

I don't wish to take this thread off topic but in answer to your question, I've always found it a bit absurd that implicating the raid team would be some obscure diversion, as part of a bigger plan to frame Mrs. Caffell.  There are other statements / notes available which suggest shock and an inability to accept the situation. One of Dr. Craig's statements for example.

Anyway, like I said, don't wish to go off-topic.  I was just trying to place PC Lay, as per Reader's enquiry.

[Reader]

Are these the notes of PC Lay? Or are they notes jotted by COLP, from PC Lay?

They seem to be by Pc Saxby. He wrote "seperate" instead of "separate".

[lookout]

The blood in the silencer,. " Blue " at that,,according to Wilkes,,which would have been the ingrained deposits from the final layers of the paint on the Aga. The only mention of the " blob " came from AE.
But which silencer would this have been.? And when was that deep gouge made,and by whom.?

[lookout]

 " The silencer ".? Which one.? The one that DB" found  ",,or the one that was collected from PE's home by Stan Jones,,the whisky-drinker,who threw the said silencer into the boot of his car and after consuming most of the bottle of whisky,proceeded to drive home in a drunken manner.!
How do these people get away with such things.? Even PE wasn't impressed about that behaviour after having offered to drive the drunken pig home. Sorry,,but I find this behaviour unprofessional from a man who calls himself a serving officer and in one of his sober moods,felt fit to charge an innocent man with murder.

[maggie]

" The silencer ".? Which one.? The one that DB" found  ",,or the one that was collected from PE's home by Stan Jones,,the whisky-drinker,who threw the said silencer into the boot of his car and after consuming most of the bottle of whisky,proceeded to drive home in a drunken manner.!
How do these people get away with such things.? Even PE wasn't impressed about that behaviour after having offered to drive the drunken pig home. Sorry,,but I find this behaviour unprofessional from a man who calls himself a serving officer and in one of his sober moods,felt fit to charge an innocent man with murder.

I agree lookout, I believe drunk driving is unforgiveable especially by a Police Officer who has seen the effects off such behaviour.  It shows Stan Jones in a very bad light imo.

[lookout]

The " blood " on the silencer was,or appeared something of a mystery,as AE had been told not to talk about it. However,RWB had told Betty Howie,and in turn it got back to Stan Jones who blew his top and gave them a telling off.?
From then on,only close members of the family spoke about the murders,which in turn gave outsiders the impression that they were hiding something.

[tyler]

The silencer that DB "found" and was collected from the Eaton's home were one and the same. The silencer allegedly having been found on 12th August. However,in Basil Cock's statement (he was present) he describes the house being covered in fingerprinting dust. Full fingerprinting of the house was not carried out until the 18th September!

[lookout]

The silencer that DB "found" and was collected from the Eaton's home were one and the same. The silencer allegedly having been found on 12th August. However,in Basil Cock's statement (he was present) he describes the house being covered in fingerprinting dust. Full fingerprinting of the house was not carried out until the 18th September!

Hi tyler ( all done to confuse ) but I thought it was a different silencer to the one which was in the boot of AE's car,,as I thought that DB had taken the said silencer himself to the police station. Taff Jones also had a silencer gathering dust in his office.? Yes,,everything was done after the " event ".!

[Roch]

The silencer that DB "found" and was collected from the Eaton's home were one and the same. The silencer allegedly having been found on 12th August. However,in Basil Cock's statement (he was present) he describes the house being covered in fingerprinting dust. Full fingerprinting of the house was not carried out until the 18th September!

Vic has challenged the notion that the gun cuboard was not fingerprinted earlier.  I recall he made reference to something possbily from the Wilkes book?

[Caroline R]

Vic has challenged the notion that the gun cuboard was not fingerprinted earlier.  I recall he made reference to something possbily from the Wilkes book?

Don't know about it being fingerprinted but this document suggests it was searched by no less than 5 officers

[lookout]

Hammersley wasn't even aware that the gun cupboard existed when cross-examined by Mr Rivlin,,let alone a silencer.

[susan]

Hi lookout is this the same gun cupboard where the silencer was found by the rellies if so why did the police not find it if they searched the cupboard must have had their eyes shut

[Roch]

The silencer that DB "found" and was collected from the Eaton's home were one and the same. The silencer allegedly having been found on 12th August. However,in Basil Cock's statement (he was present) he describes the house being covered in fingerprinting dust. Full fingerprinting of the house was not carried out until the 18th September!

My mistake.  This is actually what Vic posted:

Hi Tyler, just wondered why you believe the farm was not fingerprinted earlier.

In Julie's statements she makes mention of Jeremy complaining that fingerprinting was taking longer than he expected, I think on the Friday keys were handed to the family.

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