Marks made later, sensation:-

[mike tesko]

Marks made a month later, to frame Jeremy Bamber...

[mike tesko]

I pose the following series of questions for consideration and debate:-

[mike tesko]

I pose the following series of questions for consideration and debate:-

(1) - did the struggle next to the aga surround, take place before Ralph was shot, or afterward?

(2) - why is there an absence of any blood, on the aga surround, on the blue and white jacket, or on the carpet directly beneath the aga where the scratch mark was supposedly made?

[mike tesko]

(1) - did the struggle next to the aga surround, take place before Ralph was shot, or afterward?

(2) - why is there an absence of any blood, on the aga surround, on the blue and white jacket, or on the carpet directly beneath the aga where the scratch mark was supposedly made?

If Ralph had already been shot four times before the struggle in front of the aga surround, his blood would have been everywhere...

[mike tesko]

Lack of any of Ralphs blood, on any part of the aga surround, upon the carpet, or upon the blue and white striped jacket which covers that part of the underside of the aga surround, or on the carpet directly in front of the damaged aga, helps to establish that no such struggle took place near the aga involving Ralph and his killer...

[mike tesko]

Mr Sutherst mentions that there were no scratches on the aga on the morning of 7th August 1985, and that these did not materialize until about a month later, and that there were no fragments of red paint on the carpet, in the 7th August 1985, photographs...

But did he examine photographs taken on 12th September 1985, to see if corresponding red paint samples were present on the kitchen carpet at that vital stage?

[mike tesko]

It's only a matter of time, before everything falls into place...

[mike tesko]

Lets start by looking at the 12th September 1985, photographs, to see if there are any fresh paint fragments on the carpet beneath the aga surround...

Eureka...

[Patti]

Lack of any of Ralphs blood, on any part of the aga surround, upon the carpet, or upon the blue and white striped jacket which covers that part of the underside of the aga surround, or on the carpet directly in front of the damaged aga, helps to establish that no such struggle took place near the aga involving Ralph and his killer...

I agree with this and have said the same many times.  It simply does not make sense that the so called scratch marks were made by the end of the silencer because this means there was a struggle in front of the Aga and yet like you say there is no trace evidence and we know that NB had already sustained at least 4 shots and must have been bleeding profusely at this stage, yet there is no or little blood to confirm what the CPS presented in court....Surely people must see this and think this is not right.   

[maggie]

I agree with this and have said the same many times.  It simply does not make sense that the so called scratch marks were made by the end of the silencer because this means there was a struggle in front of the Aga and yet like you say there is no trace evidence and we know that NB had already sustained at least 4 shots and must have been bleeding profusely at this stage, yet there is no or little blood to confirm what the CPS presented in court....Surely people must see this and think this is not right.   

It is true Patti, the 'fight in the kitchen' appears to be one of those myths which has grown up around the case.  There is no evidence to support such a fight ever took place.

[Patti]

It is true Patti, the 'fight in the kitchen' appears to be one of those myths which has grown up around the case.  There is no evidence to support such a fight ever took place.

Hi Maggi...If you hit someone over the head the implement that has been used carries spatter and that spatter would leave a trace and there is none...I have looked at the floor and all I can see is droplets which are not elongated, which suggests that the person they dropped from was stationary at the time and, certainly not made with any implement that was used in the way it has been suggested....I honestly think that more tests could still be done regarding the blood spatter that are on the crime scene photographs....it makes perfect sense to do this...imo...

[Caroline R]

I agree!! Also if Neville was hit with the rifle, his blood and hair would have been found on it!!

[maggie]

Hi Maggi...If you hit someone over the head the implement that has been used carries spatter and that spatter would leave a trace and there is none...I have looked at the floor and all I can see is droplets which are not elongated, which suggests that the person they dropped from was stationary at the time and, certainly not made with any implement that was used in the way it has been suggested....I honestly think that more tests could still be done regarding the blood spatter that are on the crime scene photographs....it makes perfect sense to do this...imo...

I agree Patti and I believe Neville was far too badly injured by that time to struggle much with anyone, the damage had been done by then imo.

[maggie]

I agree!! Also if Neville was hit with the rifle, his blood and hair would have been found on it!!

That is very true Caroline.  There has never been a mention of anything found on it to point to what it was used for.

[Patti]

I agree!! Also if Neville was hit with the rifle, his blood and hair would have been found on it!!

That's a good point...there would have been blood group O on the rifle....so many opportunities missed to gather the correct evidence then they destroy the bit they had in 1996 just when before the breakthrough of DNA to me this is gross misconduct...in the USA it would be regarded as negligent....