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[Steve_uk]

It was investigated!! They were small spots and unless they linked him to the murders they weren't relevant. They didn't link him and so aren't relevant. They could have come from anywhere or anyone!!

As White House Farm was Jeremy's de facto second home it wasn't like the Simon Hall investigation,as Jeremy could have made up some excuse for blood,hair or other forensic evidence having been left there on a previous occasion.

[Caroline R]

As White House Farm was Jeremy's de facto second home it wasn't like the Simon Hall investigation,as Jeremy could have made up some excuse for blood,hair or other forensic evidence having been left there on a previous occasion.

Well, you can turn that argument completely on it's head because it's a fact - his trace evidence would legitimately be at the scene!!

[Jane]

As White House Farm was Jeremy's de facto second home it wasn't like the Simon Hall investigation,as Jeremy could have made up some excuse for blood,hair or other forensic evidence having been left there on a previous occasion.

If the above inanity doesn't prove the point I was making in post 195, I don't know what does. The suggestion that anyone should have to find an excuse for traces of themselves being found in their "de facto second home" is ludicrous beyond reason. That an intelligent person is willing to make themselves look like a fool in their search for anything which will PROVE the guilt of a man already behind bars, IMO, smacks of desperation and begs the question "WHY?"

[susan]

Morning april

yes  indeed why.  steve seems so full of hatred for Jeremy Bamber and has so much admiration and compassion for Julie Mugford and I ask myself what is this all about. Do you think he is trying to prove that the prosecution missed so much evidence and he has uncovered it   Clearly april as you stated Jeremy is serving life in prison as I have stated earlier if these posts were being made by Julie I could understand them better - a woman scorned but not from steve.

[Alias]

Morning april

yes  indeed why.  steve seems so full of hatred for Jeremy Bamber and has so much admiration and compassion for Julie Mugford and I ask myself what is this all about. Do you think he is trying to prove that the prosecution missed so much evidence and he has uncovered it   Clearly april as you stated Jeremy is serving life in prison as I have stated earlier if these posts were being made by Julie I could understand them better - a woman scorned but not from steve.

The contempt and hatred of Jeremy seems heartfelt in any case!

[Jane]

Morning april

yes  indeed why.  steve seems so full of hatred for Jeremy Bamber and has so much admiration and compassion for Julie Mugford and I ask myself what is this all about. Do you think he is trying to prove that the prosecution missed so much evidence and he has uncovered it   Clearly april as you stated Jeremy is serving life in prison as I have stated earlier if these posts were being made by Julie I could understand them better - a woman scorned but not from steve.

Susan, it very much smacks of kicking a man when he's down, doesn't it. It almost feels like a desperation to ADD to, or REsentence the original life sentence, it also suggests there is no true compassion behind his apparent need for Jeremy to confess for the good of his immortal soul. It would however provide Steve with the joy of being right and Julie being vindicated and HOW wonderful if HE could actually be the one to provide that piece of evidence which says "GOTCHA." Could she be given a greater gift?

[lookout]

Well it should be investigated when murders have occurred.

Steve,,my thoughts on the blood spots which were,just about noticed,on the passenger seat,could well have been from a woman at some time ( if you get my drift ) They were nothing to do with the murders and not worth bothering with.
To my mind,,everyone was struggling to find anything there was to be found,in which to secure Jeremys' arrest.
One thing to note,,that " everything " found,such as the silencer,file,were all " found " after the murders and not at the actual crime scene,which I would have said was iffy for a start.! 

[Patti]

I'm sure Mike has posted documents on here relating to blood tests on the car seat, dressing gown etc.  It's no big deal because the lab could not like anything to the crime.  Now, if they had saved all this evidence instead of destroying we would know...

[susan]

Hello april

wonder if steve lives in fear of Jeremy being released from prison and that would certainly upset the apple cart as far as Julie is concerned if it was proved that Jeremy is innocent where does that leave Julie who helped to have him convicted

[Jane]

Hello april

wonder if steve lives in fear of Jeremy being released from prison and that would certainly upset the apple cart as far as Julie is concerned if it was proved that Jeremy is innocent where does that leave Julie who helped to have him convicted

Susan dear, IMO, you've just hit the nail VERY accurately on the head. As I've said before, this is more about protecting Julie, who he doesn't deny knowing, from being proved a vengeful liar, than proving the guilt of someone whose life has never touched his, other than through Julie.

[haughton]

Susan.  As I see it, it was Julie who got Jeremy convicted; is it feasible that a potential murderer would announce his intention to his girlfriend and then dump her ? hardly! But it seems that the Woodentops believed her.

[killingeve]

"John Hayward,in evidence,said that when he examined some of Jeremy Bamber's clothing several weeks after the killings he had found spots of blood on the sleeve of one of his jackets and also on a bathrobe.Blood was also found on the passenger seat of Bamber's car. Although he'd carried out tests,Mr. Hayward said he was only able to establish that the blood on the clothing was human".
(Blood Relations Chapter 31)

How did Jeremy come by these specks of blood? Were they his own as he struggled with Nevill in the kitchen for control of the gun,a struggle Nevill was bound to lose with lead pellets already lodged in his head from an encounter upstairs. Did Jeremy run a bath at Goldhanger after returning from his deadly mission and soak away the tension before his telephone call to Police,or was the robe hanging up on a
door or in a closet and Jeremy's hands brushed against it as he scrubbed the evidence away? Did Nevill and June recognize their attacker that morning,did Jeremy speak or was he mute,did he make an attempt to disguise his voice or was it raised in fury as he remonstrated with parents who had controlled his life down to the finest detail and had driven away Sue as she felt she was unwanted,the stress of which led to her miscarriages. Was June oblivious of the intruder or did she finally realize how her son had repaid her as she worked her way,part paralysed to the door jamb,where she was exterminated by one last shot between the eyes,as Jeremy could finally look at her as equals and need no longer avert his gaze. Was the backspatter the source of the blood as Jeremy crept into the twins room like a cat and pumped five shots into one body and three in the other,as one infant was sucking his thumb as surrogate,he too feeling the lovelessness of this Georgian edifice as Jeremy had done himself of yesteryear,but who now no longer questioned,who no longer cared, but vowed to be hands-on,the master of his own destiny,whilst the tractor could rust among the coarse barley bristles and Jeremy felt only freedom,freedom, as he pedalled along the sea wall,feeling only the fresh ,cool salt wind against the contours of his face..

Hi Steve_uk

You forgot to add the Radox 

[Jane]

Susan.  As I see it, it was Julie who got Jeremy convicted; is it feasible that a potential murderer would announce his intention to his girlfriend and then dump her ? hardly! But it seems that the Woodentops believed her.

Haughton HI. What do you think are the chances of mitigating circs as in she was got at, threatened with getting herself a criminal record for her own crimes AND/OR persuaded by the rellies?

[Jane]

Hi Steve_uk

You forgot to add the Radox 

Naughty NaNu

[susan]

Hello haughton

exactly Julie and others sent an innocent man to prison for life they will all be living in fear of him being proved innocent.  Had he confessed to the horrendous crime he could be a free man now but who would confess to a crime such as WHF when you know within yourself you had nothing to do with it.