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[maggie]

Yes,,I would imagine 24 years of abject loathing would have taken its toll,,though the end product would have brought a huge sigh of relief to RWB.
Would he have felt any differently if " the boy " had been somewhat different in character.? I wouldn't have really thought so,,as both children " were intrusions " as far as anyone was concerned and mucked up the thoughts of any direct legacy.
From RWBS' point of view the whole adoption thing proved a disaster in his life. Of course he'd go to great lengths in helping to secure a conviction,,but he got paid-back for his trouble,didn't he.?

I agree with yourself and april, it would take a person of generous spirit to accept those 'interlopers' as fully paid up members of the clan. 

[Jane]

Yes,,I would imagine 24 years of abject loathing would have taken its toll,,though the end product would have brought a huge sigh of relief to RWB.
Would he have felt any differently if " the boy " had been somewhat different in character.? I wouldn't have really thought so,,as both children " were intrusions " as far as anyone was concerned and mucked up the thoughts of any direct legacy.
From RWBS' point of view the whole adoption thing proved a disaster in his life. Of course he'd go to great lengths in helping to secure a conviction,,but he got paid-back for his trouble,didn't he.?

No, lookout, I don't think it would have mattered a damn to him WHAT the childs personality was like and I can only hope that Jeremy never subjugated himself to this odious man to try to gain approval. Both children could have been saints but, IMO, "Uncle Bobbie" marked their cards from the moment of their adoption when they became very unwelcome additions to his family.

[killingeve]

There is some truth in that,but Sheila charred for Ann and I don't think there was any intentional hierarchy:June and Nevill were busy people who neglected their children by default,who lived separate lives through attending public school. June tried to see the best in people,and realizing that she may have made mistakes wrote that heartfelt letter which Jeremy stuffed into the glove compartment of his car,telling Julie "I'm glad she's dead",but "I do miss the old man occasionally". Jeremy's actions were social Darwinism at their most brutal,and I do wonder if he could have had a lasting relationship with anyone before promiscuity intervened and drove people away from him.

Hi Steve_uk

Lol...are you serious..."social Darwinism"...

Julie Mugford's statement date 14th Oct '85 states:

"I have been asked about a letter which I have mentioned to Karen Bishop.  I can say that on Wednesday 4th Sept '85 I was in Jeremy's car on the way back from Andy and Karen Bishop's house when I saw an envelope in the tape compartment of his car; I picked it up and saw that it had writing on it although I can't remember what.  As soon as I picked it up he took it from my hand and replaced it from where I had taken it.  I asked him who it was from and he told me that it was from his mother June and was to be opened in the event of her death.  He told me it had been written recently and was a letter apologising for the way his mother had sometimes treated him.  He said that his mother loved him, but he said that it didn't make any difference about the way he felt about her.  He just shrugged and laughed it off.

PLEASE CAN YOU PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE WHERE JB STATES "I'm glad she's dead".

[killingeve]

There is some truth in that,but Sheila charred for Ann and I don't think there was any intentional hierarchy:June and Nevill were busy people who neglected their children by default,who lived separate lives through attending public school. June tried to see the best in people,and realizing that she may have made mistakes wrote that heartfelt letter which Jeremy stuffed into the glove compartment of his car,telling Julie "I'm glad she's dead",but "I do miss the old man occasionally". Jeremy's actions were social Darwinism at their most brutal,and I do wonder if he could have had a lasting relationship with anyone before promiscuity intervened and drove people away from him.

If promiscuity intervened and drove people away why did the women he had intimate relationships with pre and post JM ie Suzette Ford and Anji Greaves support JB throughout his trial?

[lookout]

No, lookout, I don't think it would have mattered a damn to him WHAT the childs personality was like and I can only hope that Jeremy never subjugated himself to this odious man to try to gain approval. Both children could have been saints but, IMO, "Uncle Bobbie" marked their cards from the moment of their adoption when they became very unwelcome additions to his family.

An odious man was right,April. I bet he was a very difficult " patient " too in the latter half of his illness.!

[Caroline R]

Hi Steve_uk

Lol...are you serious..."social Darwinism"...

Julie Mugford's statement date 14th Oct '85 states:

"I have been asked about a letter which I have mentioned to Karen Bishop.  I can say that on Wednesday 4th Sept '85 I was in Jeremy's car on the way back from Andy and Karen Bishop's house when I saw an envelope in the tape compartment of his car; I picked it up and saw that it had writing on it although I can't remember what.  As soon as I picked it up he took it from my hand and replaced it from where I had taken it.  I asked him who it was from and he told me that it was from his mother June and was to be opened in the event of her death.  He told me it had been written recently and was a letter apologising for the way his mother had sometimes treated him.  He said that his mother loved him, but he said that it didn't make any difference about the way he felt about her.  He just shrugged and laughed it off.

PLEASE CAN YOU PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE WHERE JB STATES "I'm glad she's dead".

Of course he can't!! Just like he can't provide evidence that Neville said 'I must never turn my back on that young man' or that the rifle was wiped clean (because it wasn't), that blood on Jeremy's shirt had anything to do with the murders or any of the other unfounded ideas he peddles as fact!!

[susan]

Hello N/N has this letter from June to Jeremy been seen by anyone other than Julie and Jeremy?

[maggie]

Hi Steve_uk

Lol...are you serious..."social Darwinism"...

Julie Mugford's statement date 14th Oct '85 states:

"I have been asked about a letter which I have mentioned to Karen Bishop.  I can say that on Wednesday 4th Sept '85 I was in Jeremy's car on the way back from Andy and Karen Bishop's house when I saw an envelope in the tape compartment of his car; I picked it up and saw that it had writing on it although I can't remember what.  As soon as I picked it up he took it from my hand and replaced it from where I had taken it.  I asked him who it was from and he told me that it was from his mother June and was to be opened in the event of her death.  He told me it had been written recently and was a letter apologising for the way his mother had sometimes treated him.  He said that his mother loved him, but he said that it didn't make any difference about the way he felt about her.  He just shrugged and laughed it off.

PLEASE CAN YOU PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE WHERE JB STATES "I'm glad she's dead".

Hi NN, I would assume from Jeremy's behaviour to JM about the letter that he considered it private and not to be read by any nosey parker. It seems to be typical male and certainly Jeremy behaviour to make light of things which affected him deeply.  He managed to keep this up most of the time but he was unable to hide his emotion and sorrow when his father's death was being discussed.

[Caroline R]

Hi NN, I would assume from Jeremy's behaviour to JM about the letter that he considered it private and not to be read by any nosey parker. It seems to be typical male and certainly Jeremy behaviour to make light of things which affected him deeply.  He managed to keep this up most of the time but he was unable to hide his emotion and sorrow when his father's death was being discussed.

If he thought nothing of the letter, he'd have thrown it away and certainly wouldn't have been bothered if Julie read it.

[Jane]

.................. Sheila charred for Ann and I don't think there was any intentional hierarchy:..................................... Jeremy's actions were social Darwinism at their most brutal,and I do wonder if he could have had a lasting relationship with anyone before promiscuity intervened and drove people away from him.

Oh, don't you. The very fact that you refer to "charring" suggests hierarchy and that may be the way Ann wanted it. Sheila wasn't sent to Ann to "char" but to LEARN domesticity. Your phraseology is redolent of the era into which it sounds as if you were born. Promiscuity intervening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Victorian women would have had an attack of the vapours at the mere thought of a man KISSING a woman to whom he wasn't engaged. By the 40s/50s women considered their reputations by avoiding men who'd had several girlfriends. By the 80s, few women would go out with a man who HADN'T had several girlfriends in case it meant there was something wrong with him.

[lookout]

Sal Volatile anyone.

[Alias]

Hi Maggie

I wonder what would  have happened if William and Kate had been unable to conceive and decided to adopt.  Would the adopted child have the same rights of accession?

This is ONE of many reasons why I am an anti royalist. They live by different rules than the rest of us - and we pay for their lavish ancient lifestyle. It is plain crazy!

[lookout]

This is ONE of many reasons why I am an anti royalist. They live by different rules than the rest of us - and we pay for their lavish ancient lifestyle. It is plain crazy!

You've got something in common with Steve,Alias,,he's a Republican too,,and pretty Left-Wing.

[Jane]

You've got something in common with Steve,Alias,,he's a Republican too,,and pretty Left-Wing.

Not QUITE sure if that's a compliment, lookout

[Alias]

Not QUITE sure if that's a compliment, lookout

The jury is still out on this one....