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[maggie]

There is some truth in that,but Sheila charred for Ann and I don't think there was any intentional hierarchy:June and Nevill were busy people who neglected their children by default,who lived separate lives through attending public school. June tried to see the best in people,and realizing that she may have made mistakes wrote that heartfelt letter which Jeremy stuffed into the glove compartment of his car,telling Julie "I'm glad she's dead",but "I do miss the old man occasionally". Jeremy's actions were social Darwinism at their most brutal,and I do wonder if he could have had a lasting relationship with anyone before promiscuity intervened and drove people away from him.

Steve, I do write from personal experience and would claim, there is a great deal of truth in what I have written.
I am afraid you are being dismissive and only interested in furthering your own opinions. 

[Steve_uk]

No you are writing that from personal experience and transposing that on others' personal experiences which you can only guess about. Would it stand up in a court of law? It's well-written though and I commend you for it.

[maggie]

No you are writing that from personal experience and transposing that on others' personal experiences which you can only guess about. Would it stand up in a court of law? It's well-written though and I commend you for it.

I don't believe I am transferring steve but I concede I am writing from general experience of being an adoptee, that is true.  However, I have not experienced this particular behaviour myself, I am taking my knowledge and forming an opinion from all I have read concerning the Bamber family.  So, yes it is an opinion I have no hard facts. For all that, it's fair enough to put this down as an observation of how adoption is not always understood by the wider family or by other people.

[Caroline R]

No you are writing that from personal experience and transposing that on others' personal experiences which you can only guess about. Would it stand up in a court of law? It's well-written though and I commend you for it.

OMG!! Pots and kettles!!

[maggie]

OMG!! Pots and kettles!!

[maggie]

OMG!! Pots and kettles!!

What a cheek, I have specifically said none of this is my personal experience but it is my perception, therefore I do not claim this is anything other than an opinion. 

[Jane]

No you are writing that from personal experience and transposing that on others' personal experiences which you can only guess about. Would it stand up in a court of law? It's well-written though and I commend you for it.

MYYYYY GOD!!!!! Steve there are times when your sense of your own superiority and your condescension stagger me. Maggie has said that she is NOT writing from personal experience, I, however, AM, because I can't write from anyone else's experience and I trust my own judgement. I grew up with a female RWB who called herself my mother. I can spot a similar from a mile away. I was constantly compared to members of "our" family. Financial "gifts" came with the reminder that it was "family" money. I was told, on a regular basis that "we don't do/think/say/dress/speak/VOTE!!!!! like that in OUR family" and best of all "You're not one of us and never will be." I believe I'm eminently qualified to know what RWB thought of Jeremy. It was he who dripped poison in Nevill's ear regarding Jeremy, just as my mother did about me, to the rest of her family. You appear to have an out of context soundbite for every occasion. I have just one and it tells everything there is to know. "HOW I LOATHE THAT BOY."

[susan]

Morning dear april  I have to say steve does not live in the real world but a world all of his own.  You are more than qualified to talk on this subject and I fear he is not.  From what I have gathered on the forum steve only skim reads posts then comes out all guns blazing with his own thoughts and theories.  Take no notice of him

[maggie]

Hi april, I used 27 years of my LIFE experience to write my post but it was of a general nature not specific and from this I was able to form a possible enough situation.  I have admitted to Steve I can hardly verify it true in every detail but aparrently Steve only deals in hard facts!!!!!!  :D :D :D

[killingeve]

Of course the problem often is that adopted children are loved very much by their adopted parents but other relatives just cannot understand why people adopt. 

There are plenty of childless people who would never consider adoption as an option because they cannot comprehend the concept.  I think there are more males than females who feel they only want children with their own genes.  So it's hardly surprising that relatives, who have produced their own children and have never suffered the emptiness of childlessness and maybe lack imagination, may not whole heartedly embrace an outsider as the next heir to the throne. 

I can imagine them watching askance as Jeremy and Sheila, both undeniably good looking and glamorous seeming to do exactly what they wanted, taking money from their parents left, right and centre.  I would
argue that although there were personality clashes Sheila and Jeremy were in many ways doted on by their parents. 

It was certainly a very different situation than the genetic children of Robert and Pamela Boutflour who were expected to toe the line and do as they were told at all times by their dominating, controlling father. 

I'm quite sure that branch of the family just didn't understand the Bambers and their children ie. the reasons for having them and the reasons for allowing them to live such chaotic lives.

From this perspective, Sheila and Jeremy would never have been 'one of us' . imo

Hi Maggie

I wonder what would  have happened if William and Kate had been unable to conceive and decided to adopt.  Would the adopted child have the same rights of accession?

[maggie]

Hi Maggie

I wonder what would  have happened if William and Kate had been unable to conceive and decided to adopt.  Would the adopted child have the same rights of accession?

That has crossed my mind NN. Would like to bet that was all checked out pre wedding, after all her main purpose is to produce an heir. I'd guess adoption would not be an option    cloning maybe, adoption OMG, never, never, never     

[Caroline R]

Hi april, I used 27 years of my LIFE experience to write my post but it was of a general nature not specific and from this I was able to form a possible enough situation.  I have admitted to Steve I can hardly verify it true in every detail but aparrently Steve only deals in hard facts!!!!!!  :D :D :D

Steve doesn't only JUST post his opinion, he posts other people's opinion's and calls them facts!!

[maggie]

Steve doesn't only JUST post his opinion, he posts other people's opinion's and calls them facts!!

  caroline

[Jane]

Hi Maggie

I wonder what would  have happened if William and Kate had been unable to conceive and decided to adopt.  Would the adopted child have the same rights of accession?

NaNu and other Ladies, the above has just stimulated the little grey cells. We have a conundrum here that I CAN see. We have the younger sister, June and husband Nevill, marrying AFTER older sister Pam and husband Robert. During the time in which poor June and Nevill were trying unsuccessfully to conceive a family, Pam and Robert produced two naturally conceived children, but because it seems that Nevill had the controlling factor, his YOUNGER, ADOPTED children took precedence over Pam and Roberts older, biological children. Girls, it doesn't take a huge leap of imagination to see how, over the years, RWB has thrown toys from prams, stamped his feet and muttered "IT ISN'T FAIR." Much as I HATE to type this, and I'm whispering so Steve doesn't hear, I think the guy MAY have had a point, but Hey, who ever said life WAS fair is a liar. Tough!!!! Get over it!!!!! Get a life!!!!! I don't think he did ANY of those things. I think it festered until a tragic opportunity presented itself, made possible a redress of balance and years of internalized jealousy and venom found an outlet. "HOW I LOATHE THAT BOY".

[lookout]

Yes,,I would imagine 24 years of abject loathing would have taken its toll,,though the end product would have brought a huge sigh of relief to RWB.
Would he have felt any differently if " the boy " had been somewhat different in character.? I wouldn't have really thought so,,as both children " were intrusions " as far as anyone was concerned and mucked up the thoughts of any direct legacy.
From RWBS' point of view the whole adoption thing proved a disaster in his life. Of course he'd go to great lengths in helping to secure a conviction,,but he got paid-back for his trouble,didn't he.?