ECHR ..... now - Killers' life terms 'breached their human rights'

[lookout]

P.S. There was a murder about half a mile from me this morning. A mans' body was found in the road at 5.50am and a woman has been arrested. Don't know any details,but the area is cordoned off and the Helipolice was hovering overhead first thing.

[Caroline R]

I still don't understand why he went ahead with though, if he knew it would not help him.  He does not have to use things like this to ring his case into the public eye surely?  He has his campaign team working very hard for him who puts him in view of the public every day on twitter and on forums...

So are you saying that he wont get a review because he has not admitted his crime? Sorry for the questions....you know I'm like a dog with a bone. lol 

No, I'm saying it's unlikely. Part of the whole parole process is to measure the dangerousness of the individual being considered. To do this they consider things like did they confess, did they show remorse and have they made steps towards rehabilitation, so they are no longer a danger to the soociety (as much as you can ever guarantee that)?  If someone is maintaining their innocence, then they haven't confessed, so they can't show remorse and can't be rehabilitated and may still be a danger - they don't consider things like a possible miscarriage of justice. they don't happen - except when they do!! 

[SUMMER]

Lookout, what does it take to survive year after year as a category A Prisoner
for a crime he says he did not commit?

If Jeremy did not do it, then I would like to know who the hell did, because it

seems that the powers that be really do not want to delve into other possible

true motivations behind those murders.

If our justice system is actually capable of such corruption in itself, then what has befallen Jeremy

could happen to anyone, as I know Jeremy has said before.

It is interesting, the way that Britain seems to want to become less entangled in Human Rights.

It's terrifying.

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline,

I feel glad that the "whole Life Tariff" has been judged to be inhumane, when no review is made possible.
But I fear that because Jeremy maintains his innocence he is in a catch 22 situation and he is surely intelligent enough to know this.
I can only conclude one of two possibilities:
Jeremy is telling the truth and he really did not commit the murders
or
Jeremy is crazy and is in such deep denial he is not capable of admitting it.
I think that the latter is the version that the Police and the Government want us to believe.
But what the possible motivation for keeping Jeremy locked up could be I cannot even begin to
imagine.

Summer

Hi Summer,

I think he is one of those offenders that have been demonised to the point where his release becomes political. No party would want to be associated with the release of someone like Jeremy Bamber - it doesn't win votes. His hope lies in finding something crucial to win another appeal. I used to think he was hands down guilty - I changed my mind, I'm sure there will be many more people out there who feel the same.

[SUMMER]

Hello Summer as always its nice to see you on the forum, its not over yet , neither our so called free society is any better than any other countries, its full of holes and faults when britain  has a tank on each street corner we are contained but not at present , jeremy must seize every second of the current system.

Hi mertol,

It seems that we share a common viewpoint on the state of the erosions of our freedoms in Britain!

Good to hear from you again too.

Summer

[Caroline R]

Lookout, what does it take to survive year after year as a category A Prisoner
for a crime he says he did not commit?

If Jeremy did not do it, then I would like to know who the hell did, because it

seems that the powers that be really do not want to delve into other possible

true motivations behind those murders.

If our justice system is actually capable of such corruption in itself, then what has befallen Jeremy

could happen to anyone, as I know Jeremy has said before.

It is interesting, the way that Britain seems to want to become less entangled in Human Rights.

It's terrifying.

Personally, I think that having changed tack from Sheila to Jeremy, EP  would have looked like complete morons if they had switched back or perhaps they really did think he was guilty. I don't feel the evidence was circumstantial - I feel it was 'convenient'

[mertol22]

Hi Summer,

I think he is one of those offenders that have been demonised to the point where his release becomes political. No party would want to be associated with the release of someone like Jeremy Bamber - it doesn't win votes. His hope lies in finding something crucial to win another appeal. I used to think he was hands down guilty - I changed my mind, I'm sure there will be many more people out there who feel the same.

Likewise Caroline a situation the voters face in 2015 all the main parties have had members serving jail terms .

[SUMMER]

Hi Summer,

I think he is one of those offenders that have been demonised to the point where his release becomes political. No party would want to be associated with the release of someone like Jeremy Bamber - it doesn't win votes. His hope lies in finding something crucial to win another appeal. I used to think he was hands down guilty - I changed my mind, I'm sure there will be many more people out there who feel the same.

Dear Caroline,

It seems to me that the Government rely on a "divide and conquer" method of ruling this nation.

I too hope that Jeremy and his team really do have some powerful new evidence because to ever

get another day in court he is surely going to need it.

Another reason for not allowing him to get another hearing is probably the vast amount of

compensation that he would rightly deserve for wrongful imprisonment!

Summer

[Patti]

Hi Patti, so good to be back, have missed your valuable contributions to the form.

Maggie 

Have you enjoyed your holiday?  Just watched news and I don't think it was good PA for Jeremy at all...I don't think the BBC news mentioned the fact that Jeremy was fighting to prove his innocence..They showed old footage of him smiling at the camera's in the back on the police van...Again I think it is wrong to do this, because it sways peoples opinions of him and puts him in bad light.

April I watched DB....I can't really comment. 

Night all....

[Caroline R]

Dear Caroline,

It seems to me that the Government rely on a "divide and conquer" method of ruling this nation.

I too hope that Jeremy and his team really do have some powerful new evidence because to ever

get another day in court he is surely going to need it.

Another reason for not allowing him to get another hearing is probably the vast amount of

compensation that he would rightly deserve for wrongful imprisonment!

Summer

Yes, there is also financial considerations and the fact that the whole justice system come under scrutiny!! I wonder how man 'inquiries' it would lead to? 

[guest154]

Strange ruling. It's a sad day when the ECHR tell the British courts/government what they can and can not do.

Won't affect Bamber though in all honesty.

[susan]

Morning Maggie

you are quite right in saying it is not over yet and Summer nice to see you on the forum and I would suggest you watch "this space"

[susan]

Morning Mat wow the stranger has returned hope you are well.  Not too sure if I can agree with you that the latest ruling will not affect Jeremy keep watching this space

[susan]

Morning lookout  Jeremy cannot show remorse for a crime he did not commit I am sure he has shown sadness at loosing his entire family and what did people say "oh he is just putting it on" he cannot win in some people's eyes but Jeremy Bamber will have his day of freedom.

[susan]

Morning petey

if new evidence is produced proving Jeremy is innocent would the ruling make any difference at that stage or would it just be a new trial.