Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-

[Caroline R]

Thanks forn that Caroline How come you realized what I meant and Steve didn't?

It's almost cherry picking season 

[Jane]

That's possible lookout. I'm not a Royalist and I can't help but think much grief would have been spared had Juliet kept the baby and sod royal protocol..

As they married anyway AND went on to have more children, I fail to see why they couldn't have kept him, however they weren't the first or the last parents to give away an inconvenient child, then go on to marry and have more.............and I don't know the full circumstances.

[maggie]

As they married anyway AND went on to have more children, I fail to see why they couldn't have kept him, however they weren't the first or the last parents to give away an inconvenient child, then go on to marry and have more.............and I don't know the full circumstances.

Hi april, it was very stronglt not done to keep a child born 'out of wedlock' back then unless they had a shotgun wedding......wasn't he married to someone else at the time? Our culture has changed out of all recognition since that time, as you know

[lookout]

That's possible lookout. I'm not a Royalist and I can't help but think much grief would have been spared had Juliet kept the baby and sod royal protocol..

Yes,Steve,the " neighbours " wouldn't have been best pleased.

[Roch]

Well I meant that the motivation behind the relatives' actions was to catch a killer and was not financially driven.

How do you know for certain that their motives were so clear cut?  That there was no blurring between the two examples you have given?

[Steve_uk]

How do you know for certain that their motives were so clear cut?  That there was no blurring between the two examples you have given?

I don't for sure Roch but Ann Eaton twigged Jeremy's cat and mouse antics after the Osea Road robbery,there was the incident where he sprayed a neighbour's field with chemicals,the unexpected birthday card,the offer of sunbed,the hint that they would both be working together in the not so distant future as joint owners of the caravan park..

[Jane]

They would have got their share of the Speakman estate even had Jeremy not been convicted. I'm of the same opinion as Jeremy's natural father that he had a good start in life and he just blew it.

Well I meant that the motivation behind the relatives' actions was to catch a killer and was not financially driven.

As you've developed the avoiding tactic of diverting attention away from what you've previously said, I have little idea of how your post on motivation in any way relates to the Speakman estate, even less where Jeremy's biological father comes into the equation. I am really interest to know from which viewpoint you have managed to ascertain that the rellies motive wasn't financially driven.

[Caroline R]

I don't for sure Roch but Ann Eaton twigged Jeremy's cat and mouse antics after the Osea Road robbery,there was the incident where he sprayed a neighbour's field with chemicals,the unexpected birthday card,the offer of sunbed,the hint that they would both be working together in the not so distant future as joint owners of the caravan park..

They were already working at the caravan park together. The relatives had no affection for Jeremy which is evident because even acts of kindess were met with their suspicions - a birthdays card, an offer of use of his sunbed, the flowers he sent Ann. Yep, they all point to the acts of a cunning killer  . The chemical incident was an ACCIDENT!!

[Jane]

I don't for sure Roch but Ann Eaton twigged Jeremy's cat and mouse antics after the Osea Road robbery,there was the incident where he sprayed a neighbour's field with chemicals,the unexpected birthday card,the offer of sunbed,the hint that they would both be working together in the not so distant future as joint owners of the caravan park..

If you recall RWBs "diary" in which he states "How I loathe that boy" it seems highly likely that he'd indoctrinated his family with his own feelings and had caused them to mistrust everything that Jeremy ever did and any kindness on his part was treated with contempt.

[Steve_uk]

They were already working at the caravan park together. The relatives had no affection for Jeremy which is evident because even acts of kindess were met with their suspicions - a birthdays card, an offer of use of his sunbed, the flowers he sent Ann. Yep, they all point to the acts of a cunning killer  . The chemical incident was an ACCIDENT!!

Yes it all was wasn't it,the whole tragic affair. Jeremy was continually testing the boundaries of his parents' discipline once he had returned for good from his Antipodean adventures,in a way he would never have dared at 8 years old when he was sent away to boarding school. I see many parallels with the David Bain case:the son who wanted it all.

[Steve_uk]

If you recall RWBs "diary" in which he states "How I loathe that boy" it seems highly likely that he'd indoctrinated his family with his own feelings and had caused them to mistrust everything that Jeremy ever did and any kindness on his part was treated with contempt.

Wasn't that after the occasion of being shown round White House Farm in the aftermath of the murders..

[Jane]

Hi april, it was very stronglt not done to keep a child born 'out of wedlock' back then unless they had a shotgun wedding......wasn't he married to someone else at the time? Our culture has changed out of all recognition since that time, as you know

Maggie HI. I agree with you about cultural change but I have not heard about him being married to someone else.

[Caroline R]

Yes it all was wasn't it,the whole tragic affair. Jeremy was continually testing the boundaries of his parents' discipline once he had returned for good from his Antipodean adventures,in a way he would never have dared at 8 years old when he was sent away to boarding school. I see many parallels with the David Bain case:the son who wanted it all.

He was 25 years old for gods sake, he wasn't a teenager. He wasn't testing  ANY boundaries, he was an adult living HIS life. And we aren't talking about David Bain

[Jane]

Yes it all was wasn't it,the whole tragic affair. Jeremy was continually testing the boundaries of his parents' discipline once he had returned for good from his Antipodean adventures,in a way he would never have dared at 8 years old when he was sent away to boarding school. I see many parallels with the David Bain case:the son who wanted it all.

You appear stuck on David Bain and catathymic crisis.

[Jane]

Wasn't that after the occasion of being shown round White House Farm in the aftermath of the murders..

Steve, are you asking me to believe that up till then RWB had loved jeremy as one of his own children. This is the man who used every opportuninty to drip poison about Jeremy into Nevills ear. This was the man who may have worked out that whilst June and Nevill were childless, their fortune would find its way into his branch of their family, something he never acknowledged Sheila and jeremy as being part of.