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Offline susan

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #135 on: July 02, 2013, 07:22:AM »
Morning Patti  with regard to the feather I think it is no more than two young guys larking around and Jeremy took the feather just without any thought and left it on the table at the farm. I don't see any significance at all maybe he gave it to the twins nothing sinister happening at all.

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« Reply #136 on: July 02, 2013, 07:43:AM »
Morning Patti  with regard to the feather I think it is no more than two young guys larking around and Jeremy took the feather just without any thought and left it on the table at the farm. I don't see any significance at all maybe he gave it to the twins nothing sinister happening at all.


Susan HELLO :) I'm inclined to agree with you. "Man with feather behind ear" COULD have been one of the travelling community who live in and around Tiptree who MAY have presented his feather to the twins if they were fascinated by it but I'm more inclined to think it was one of those treasures so frequently found by small boys when they're out and about.

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #137 on: July 02, 2013, 07:52:AM »
Morning april  good thinking could have belonged to one of the travelling community and as you said a find by one of the twins no more than that.  Certainly no connection to the murders IMO.

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #138 on: July 02, 2013, 08:36:AM »
Good morning April/Susan,,,I digress somewhat but neverthless it still has a bearing directly/indirectly with this case.
28 years later-----------------------there is now a blood-test which tells doctors if women are suffering from post-natal depression,,and also those who have a pre-disposition to it. This proves how very little,if anything,was known of this hormonal imbalance in 1985,,and its consequences if not treated.
Women DO feel suicidal,,and also have irrational thoughts about their babies,,such as killing them through feelings of hopelessness,,thinking the child would be better off out of a situation.

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #139 on: July 02, 2013, 08:36:AM »
Susan, you're up with the Lark! Do you think in your wildest dreams it could be a CUckoo feather, specifically weighted down to have its photo taken for posterity?  Maybe an ornithologist, or perhaps the ubiquitous  Steve can satisfy us on this question?

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #140 on: July 02, 2013, 08:41:AM »
Susan, you're up with the Lark! Do you think in your wildest dreams it could be a CUckoo feather, specifically weighted down to have its photo taken for posterity?  Maybe an ornithologist, or perhaps the ubiquitous  Steve can satisfy us on this question?





Hey,,it looks like a cuckoo feather with the stripes.Must google it to make sure. I hope it wasn't a " calling card ".!

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #141 on: July 02, 2013, 08:49:AM »




Hey,,it looks like a cuckoo feather with the stripes.Must google it to make sure. I hope it wasn't a " calling card ".!


Were any birds resident at WH or neighbouring farms? Failing that there would be plenty that occupied the airspace above it :D

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #142 on: July 02, 2013, 09:06:AM »
Morning campion  I am always up with the Lark 5.30 a.m. best time of the day.  Do you think if it is a cuckoo feather it was given to Jeremy instead of a birthday card ;D ;D ;D ;D steve will know the answer if not he will find one ;D ;D ;D he will skim read a book.

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #143 on: July 02, 2013, 09:30:AM »

Were any birds resident at WH or neighbouring farms? Failing that there would be plenty that occupied the airspace above it :D




There'd be plenty of birds around on farmland. Cuckoos usually by May,I think.It could have come from a shooting party at some time.

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #144 on: July 02, 2013, 07:18:PM »


Steve, I feel certain that you know as well as I that the above statement is absolute BALLCOCKS, starting with the very real possibility that Jeremy no longer has any relatives. The last ones who spring to mind to bring about the downfall of a family member were the family of Ann Boleyn and had it been possible for the Boutflour/Eatons to bring about Jeremy's execution, I have little doubt that they would have done so. It is generally accepted that families will work hard to defend one of their own but sadly, Jeremy was probably never accepted by the wider family as one of their own. I wonder how they would have gone about organizing things had the twins lived and the bulk of what they had believed to be theirs had gone out of "family" hands in all directions.
They would have got their share of the Speakman estate even had Jeremy not been convicted. I'm of the same opinion as Jeremy's natural father that he had a good start in life and he just blew it.

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #145 on: July 02, 2013, 07:24:PM »
They would have got their share of the Speakman estate even had Jeremy not been convicted. I'm of the same opinion as Jeremy's natural father that he had a good start in life and he just blew it.

April is referring to the Bamber estate, not the Speakman - although  Jeremy 'would/should' have been untitled to to his share also. However, circumstances 'intervened'!!

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #146 on: July 02, 2013, 07:26:PM »
April is referring to the Bamber estate, not the Speakman - although  Jeremy 'would/should' have been untitled to to his share also. However, circumstances 'intervened'!!
Well I meant that the motivation behind the relatives' actions was to catch a killer and was not financially driven.

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #147 on: July 02, 2013, 07:28:PM »
They would have got their share of the Speakman estate even had Jeremy not been convicted. I'm of the same opinion as Jeremy's natural father that he had a good start in life and he just blew it.




Steve,,I'm afraid that Jeremys' natural father was another one who was frightened in case he lost his " grace and favour home ".

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #148 on: July 02, 2013, 07:31:PM »
April is referring to the Bamber estate, not the Speakman - although  Jeremy 'would/should' have been untitled to to his share also. However, circumstances 'intervened'!!



Thanks forn that Caroline :) How come you realized what I meant and Steve didn't? ???

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Re: Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-
« Reply #149 on: July 02, 2013, 07:35:PM »



Steve,,I'm afraid that Jeremys' natural father was another one who was frightened in case he lost his " grace and favour home ".
That's possible lookout. I'm not a Royalist and I can't help but think much grief would have been spared had Juliet kept the baby and sod royal protocol..