Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-

[Steve_uk]

april I feel Julie was in the driving seat bet she got a shock when he told her the relationship was over how dare he she could not stand the thoughts of loosing control I seem to think she tried to smother him with a pillow saying if I can't have you nobody else can.  I do declare what passion Not surprised she is now doing charity work.

You're forgetting that Jeremy twisted her arm up her back..

[susan]

Hi lookout  I did not know Jeremy of course but my perception of him when he was 24 was a rather immature guy maybe full of himself and quite vain I would think and we all know his behaviour left much to be desired at times same with Julie but she came over as a hard young lady who did not have the privileged upbringing Jeremy had and was an out and out survivor.  I think Jeremy was easily led by her and his friends.  I could never never imagine Jeremy Bamber to be a cold heartless murderer just not part of his makeup as I see it.

[susan]

steve a big difference trying to smother somebody and twisting their arm no comparison at all.  She threw soap at him in the supermarket she could have taken his eye out quite a bad tempered young lady by the sound of it.  Think he was very tolerant with her.

[Jane]

Hi lookout  I did not know Jeremy of course but my perception of him when he was 24 was a rather immature guy maybe full of himself and quite vain I would think and we all know his behaviour left much to be desired at times same with Julie but she came over as a hard young lady who did not have the privileged upbringing Jeremy had and was an out and out survivor.  I think Jeremy was easily led by her and his friends.  I could never never imagine Jeremy Bamber to be a cold heartless murderer just not part of his makeup as I see it.

Susan, my own experience of public school educated boys is that much earlier than most they acquire the manners/mannerisms of much older males which whilst making them appear to be streets ahead of the crowd hides that when it comes to being streetwise they are generations behind their comprehensive/grammer school counterparts who can run rings round them. I do wonder how he fitted with Julie's college buddies who would have been streets ahead of him intellectually. I wonder how he coped with deep and meaningful conversations about existentialism, the Enlightenment, Proust. I wouldn't mind betting that inbetween drinking and smoking spliffs some of them sharpened their intellectual knives on him if only to get one over his public school accent and obvious affluence.

[lookout]

Hi lookout  I did not know Jeremy of course but my perception of him when he was 24 was a rather immature guy maybe full of himself and quite vain I would think and we all know his behaviour left much to be desired at times same with Julie but she came over as a hard young lady who did not have the privileged upbringing Jeremy had and was an out and out survivor.  I think Jeremy was easily led by her and his friends.  I could never never imagine Jeremy Bamber to be a cold heartless murderer just not part of his makeup as I see it.

I agree with you Susan,,she was the " street-wise " one,not Jeremy,,and as you say he was easily led by her dominance in the relationship. She probably taught him all about sex as well.!

[susan]

Oh april what big words you use get the gist of what you are saying and I would think that Julie's friends would just take the mick out of poor Jeremy and he would be totally out of his depth.  He had to a certain extent led a very sheltered life as a young boy I believe Ralph would not allow him to mix with the local boys as he thought it was improper as he maybe employing some of them one day.  When you think about it how sad but it still goes on sadly.

[Jane]

Oh april what big words you use get the gist of what you are saying and I would think that Julie's friends would just take the mick out of poor Jeremy and he would be totally out of his depth.  He had to a certain extent led a very sheltered life as a young boy I believe Ralph would not allow him to mix with the local boys as he thought it was improper as he maybe employing some of them one day.  When you think about it how sad but it still goes on sadly.

Susan, you have obviously not had a problem and have understood perfectly. You just repeated exactly what I meant :D :D :D  Don't you think it's an irony that Nevill didn't believe it appropriate for him to mix with the locals when doing so may have equipped him better to cope with some of those he has to mix with now.

[Steve_uk]

Susan, you have obviously not had a problem and have understood perfectly. You just repeated exactly what I meant :D :D :D  Don't you think it's an irony that Nevill didn't believe it appropriate for him to mix with the locals when doing so may have equipped him better to cope with some of those he has to mix with now.

Such a shame that Jeremy can't admit what he did,apologize to Colin and move on,but in our system of justice there's nowhere to move on to. Maybe the David Bain case has given Jeremy false hope. We badly need the Norwegian system here.

[Jane]

Such a shame that Jeremy can't admit what he did,apologize to Colin and move on,but in our system of justice there's nowhere to move on to. Maybe the David Bain case has given Jeremy false hope. We badly need the Norwegian system here.

Well Steve, as for every action there is a consequence, Colin may at times have cause to reflect that had he and Sheila still been together there may not have been the tragedy which occurred. He did after all, originally believe Sheila to have done it. Perhaps holding Jeremy responsible means he can negate his own responsibility in what happened.

[Steve_uk]

Well Steve, as for every action there is a consequence, Colin may at times have cause to reflect that had he and Sheila still been together there may not have been the tragedy which occurred. He did after all, originally believe Sheila to have done it. Perhaps holding Jeremy responsible means he can negate his own responsibility in what happened.

I think Colin's initial remark was related to Sheila's own suicide. Colin bears no responsibility whatsoever for what happened to either Sheila or his sons,neither do any living persons who are left behind to pick up the pieces of a suicide victim.

[Caroline R]

After the conviction they did because he has disinherited himself through his crimes. I'm sure Petey will point us to the law on this point.

We weren't talking about 'after' the conviction!!

[Caroline R]

Jeremy Bamber,David Bain,William Bradford Bishop..in their minds their family doesn't deserve to live..they are the only ones who do..think of the note typed on the computer in the Bain case,and afterwards they put on a show but they possess an inner calm as the horrible deeds have been accomplished. This is an insight to Jeremy Bamber's mind on the occasion of the funerals.

No it isn't - it's just your opinion and arm chair psychology!

[Steve_uk]

We weren't talking about 'after' the conviction!!

But he has been convicted so it's a bit hollow for the Jeremy supporters to hark on about a one month interval between the murders and Jeremy's arrest. Jeremy took the lion's share of the valuables anyway and if I recall would not even allow Pamela a keepsake ring from her sister June.

[Caroline R]

He broke down as the cortege passed the television cameras.

Again, 'your opinion'

[Jane]

I think Colin's initial remark was related to Sheila's own suicide. Colin bears no responsibility whatsoever for what happened to either Sheila or his sons,neither do any living persons who are left behind to pick up the pieces of a suicide victim.

Whilst that may be fact I can't deny, Steve, I have yet to find ANYONE who is left behind after someones suicide, who hasn't wondered if there was something they could have done to prevent it.