Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-

[susan]

steve if Julie knew of Jeremy's intentions to murder his entire family two of them being little 6 year old boys (which I don't think she did) I would have thought her life may have been in danger to condone such an heinous crime by carrying on being his sexual partner and taking money from him towards her trip to Malta dining, drinking with him Society would not look to kindly on her if they knew she could have prevented the murders I would have to say she was as guilty as him.

[Steve_uk]

steve if Julie knew of Jeremy's intentions to murder his entire family two of them being little 6 year old boys (which I don't think she did) I would have thought her life may have been in danger to condone such an heinous crime by carrying on being his sexual partner and taking money from him towards her trip to Malta dining, drinking with him Society would not look to kindly on her if they knew she could have prevented the murders I would have to say she was as guilty as him.

He didn't go to Malta with her,but we have to take things as they are in life as in the Jeremy Bamber case and hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[Jane]

steve if Julie knew of Jeremy's intentions to murder his entire family two of them being little 6 year old boys (which I don't think she did) I would have thought her life may have been in danger to condone such an heinous crime by carrying on being his sexual partner and taking money from him towards her trip to Malta dining, drinking with him Society would not look to kindly on her if they knew she could have prevented the murders I would have to say she was as guilty as him.

Very good point you've just made Susan. We've spoken at length about her ability to share a bed with someone who planned to and killed his entire family but we've never talked about how it might FEEL. Shame, remorse and guilt don't seem to have been part of the equation. Did she see herself as being another Bonnie (as in......and Clyde). Might the knowledge she held perhaps add spice to their sex life, or was the thought of her beau coming in to a fortune that she could help him spend a thrill of such orgasmic proportions that she put the deed from her mind, which she seems to have done very successfully until he dumped her.

[Steve_uk]

Very good point you've just made Susan. We've spoken at length about her ability to share a bed with someone who planned to and killed his entire family but we've never talked about how it might FEEL. Shame, remorse and guilt don't seem to have been part of the equation. Did she see herself as being another Bonnie (as in......and Clyde). Might the knowledge she held perhaps add spice to their sex life, or was the thought of her beau coming in to a fortune that she could help him spend a thrill of such orgasmic proportions that she put the deed from her mind.

..or did it ever cross her mind that this immature juvenile whose angelic face stared out of the Jubilee photograph could possibly harbour the thoughts of a serial murderer,when he had his bread buttered on both sides..

[susan]

april dear what a very well worded graphic post but sorry to throw a spanner into the works but none of that applied other than she looked forward to being the next Lady of the Manor because she did not suspect Jeremy of murdering his family till he had dumped her then as we all know a woman scorned is dangerous. Had Jeremy Bamber murdered his entire family he would not have been stupid enough to tell her and if he had he would have kept her close and perhaps even married her well not too sure about the last bit. 

[susan]

steve angelic little Jeremy told her of his intentions and actually said "tonights the night" after which she went back to sleep and never gave it another thought Think he buttered her bread quite well as well he was very kind to her and how did she repay him.

[Steve_uk]

april dear what a very well worded graphic post but sorry to throw a spanner into the works but none of that applied other than she looked forward to being the next Lady of the Manor because she did not suspect Jeremy of murdering his family till he had dumped her then as we all know a woman scorned is dangerous. Had Jeremy Bamber murdered his entire family he would not have been stupid enough to tell her and if he had he would have kept her close and perhaps even married her well not too sure about the last bit.

In the David Bain case a Police Officer is reported to have heard "I shot the prick" in the emergency call pertaining to that case. Some friends of Mr. Bain's also recall a conversation where he debated whether he could molest a woman on his paper round and use this as an alibi to get away with his crime.

Serial killers have speculated about their crimes,it's just that Julie didn't take him seriously and I can't blight the rest of her life as some wish to do here by making an error of judgement.

[Steve_uk]

steve angelic little Jeremy told her of his intentions and actually said "tonights the night" after which she went back to sleep and never gave it another thought Think he buttered her bread quite well as well he was very kind to her and how did she repay him.

Julie was worn out working all hours and didn't go back to sleep until Jeremy pestered her again with telephone call number 3..

[Jane]

..or did it ever cross her mind that this immature juvenile whose angelic face stared out of the Jubilee photograph could possibly harbour the thoughts of a serial murderer,when he had his bread buttered on both sides..

...........and what was a so called intelligent woman doing with an immature juvenile with an angelic face. Please don't say she loved him because if they weren't on the same intellectual level love would quickly have waned, so we have to accept that for her it was sex and money all wrapped up in the form of a man she thought she could control, and if she was aware that she was brighter than him that's exactly what she'd have done.

[Steve_uk]

...........and what was a so called intelligent woman doing with an immature juvenile with an angelic face. Please don't say she loved him because if they weren't on the same intellectual level love would quickly have waned, so we have to accept that for her it was sex and money all wrapped up in the form of a man she thought she could control, and if she was aware that she was brighter than him that's exactly what she'd have done.

This wasn't a one night stand but a relationship covering the best part of two years. How could Julie possibly have known she had fallen in love with a serial killer..

[susan]

april I feel Julie was in the driving seat bet she got a shock when he told her the relationship was over how dare he she could not stand the thoughts of loosing control I seem to think she tried to smother him with a pillow saying if I can't have you nobody else can.  I do declare what passion Not surprised she is now doing charity work.

[susan]

steve you tell me how when the love of her life of 2 years was sentenced to life in prison she stood outside the Court room flashed her leg laughing suppose she was thinking of her £25.000 and never gave poor Jeremy another thought

[susan]

steve I think she would have been more worn out after what she had been smoking and drinking all night she was quite fond of the wacky backy I am told.

[lookout]

april I feel Julie was in the driving seat bet she got a shock when he told her the relationship was over how dare he she could not stand the thoughts of loosing control I seem to think she tried to smother him with a pillow saying if I can't have you nobody else can.  I do declare what passion Not surprised she is now doing charity work.

Hi Susan,,I might be speaking out of turn here,,but the latest brutal attack on a young mother was allegedly done by " her ex ",who pretty well must have said those same words," if I can't have you,nobody else is going to ". It would appear that this motive for killing,,stems from scorn,jealousy and immaturity. If Jeremy had been that way inclined,,he could easily have walloped Julie after the pillow scenario. So there's the difference straight away. Who was the most vicious.?

[Jane]

This wasn't a one night stand but a relationship covering the best part of two years. How could Julie possibly have known she had fallen in love with a serial killer..

If, as she said, he told her he was thinking of it AND she's supposedly provided him with sleeping pills to subdue his father, there can be no shadow of doubt that she knew perfectly well what he was attempting to do.