Main Bedroom

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

In his book Scott Lomax states that when the last number redial facility on the upstasirs office phone was checked, the last number dialled  from that phone was to the police. EP explained this by saying that one of the officers had used it to ring the station. That was convenient wasn't it?

Why would the police be using a landline when they all had radios?

[chelmsey]

In his book Scott Lomax states that when the last number redial facility on the upstasirs office phone was checked, the last number dialled  from that phone was to the police. EP explained this by saying that one of the officers had used it to ring the station. That was convenient wasn't it?

Why would the police be using a landline when they all had radios?

Exactly!!!  I also read somewhere else that that the police HAD NOT in fact used the telephone after all! There is just so much conflicting evidence isnt there   

[Kaldin]

In his book Scott Lomax states that when the last number redial facility on the upstasirs office phone was checked, the last number dialled  from that phone was to the police. EP explained this by saying that one of the officers had used it to ring the station. That was convenient wasn't it?

Why would the police be using a landline when they all had radios?

He knows something the appeal judges didn't know then because they said that the only phone with a redial facility was not even at the house at the time.

There was an issue with the phone in the office being used - it was dealt with at the 2002 appeal.

[Kaldin]

Back to the main bedroom:

It's been asserted that the blood on the bedroom floor was June's blood. How much of it was tested and in which part of the room? It's not clear to me if all of it was June's blood or not.

If it's accepted that it is June's blood, then why oh why did she get out of bed on her side, walk round the bottom of the bed, up the other side of it, and then come back the same way to where she ended up near the door?

Can anyone explain that? Could any of the experts explain that?

[Kaldin]

Anyone?

Can anyone say if all the blood on the floor was tested and if it all came from June?

[chelmsey]

Anyone?

Can anyone say if all the blood on the floor was tested and if it all came from June?

This would be a question that Mike or TBM would more likely be able to answer for you.To my knowledge it was not tested as the police probably did not see the point as they believed that they were dealing with a suicide and four murders.By the time it had become a murder investigation,I believe it had all been cleaned up.

[HMEssex]

Back to the main bedroom:

It's been asserted that the blood on the bedroom floor was June's blood. How much of it was tested and in which part of the room? It's not clear to me if all of it was June's blood or not.

If it's accepted that it is June's blood, then why oh why did she get out of bed on her side, walk round the bottom of the bed, up the other side of it, and then come back the same way to where she ended up near the door?

Can anyone explain that? Could any of the experts explain that?




Well who really knows, but it could be that she was stumbling around in pain disorientated, trying to get away from killer, or more than likely attempting to make her way to the children's bedroom if she knew they were in danger, which could be accessed through the door on other side of the bed.  The fact that she came back again and was finally killed by the main door suggests perhaps she was backing away from the killer who then shot her between the eyes.  We can only imagine the horror of the situation.

[Kaldin]

Anyone?

Can anyone say if all the blood on the floor was tested and if it all came from June?

This would be a question that Mike or TBM would more likely be able to answer for you.To my knowledge it was not tested as the police probably did not see the point as they believed that they were dealing with a suicide and four murders.By the time it had become a murder investigation,I believe it had all been cleaned up.

So a lot of it could be Nevill's blood then.

[Kaldin]

Well who really knows, but it could be that she was stumbling around in pain disorientated, trying to get away from killer, or more than likely attempting to make her way to the children's bedroom if she knew they were in danger, which could be accessed through the door on other side of the bed.  The fact that she came back again and was finally killed by the main door suggests perhaps she was backing away from the killer who then shot her between the eyes.  We can only imagine the horror of the situation.

That's quite feasible. It would suggest that Nevill was already dead downstairs and that the killer then killed the boys and went back to the main bedroom via the small room next door and June tried to get away from him/her.

[Kaldin]

I wonder if they tested the door knob on that door from the small bedroom to the main bedroom. If the killer had come back to the main bedroom that way, there may have been prints on it.

It's not clear what they room was used for or whether it was habitually used for anything. On one photo the door was open but the police might have opened it just to have a look in there.

[chelmsey]

I thought that it had been established that the boys were killed first,then June,then Ralph,but I may be wrong on this.

[Kaldin]

I thought that it had been established that the boys were killed first,then June,then Ralph,but I may be wrong on this.

I never established that. I've been trying to work out the sequence for ages.

[Kaldin]

Perhaps this is what happened.

Nevill and June are in bed. The killer goes into the bedroom via the main door and shoots them both - June five times and Nevill four times (who is either in bed or just by the bed at this point). The killer thinks the job is done and goes back downstairs to reload. Nevill is injured but leaves June and goes down the main stairs to stop the killer. There is a fight and Nevill is injured further. The killer reloads the gun and shoots Nevill four more times. They then put six more bullets in the gun, and go upstairs to the boys room and shoots them. Meanwhile, June tries to make it to the boys' room via the internal door and the killer hears her, so he/she comes back to the main bedroom via that door. June tries to back  away towards the main bedroom door but is shot twice more by the door with the two remaining bullets in the gun.

There are now no more bullets, so the killer goes and puts two more bullets in the gun to deal with Sheila ....

Of course, that rules out Nevill phoning Jeremy from the kitchen because he's been shot in the mouth in the bedroom.

It also disregards the bullet case found on the main stairs.

If the blood on the bedroom floor is not Junes, I'll have to rethink it.

[chelmsey]

Most people speculate on this forum that Ralph was shot first in the kitchen,then the main bedroom,and finally the kitchen,where he then died.

[Kaldin]

Most people speculate on this forum that Ralph was shot first in the kitchen,then the main bedroom,and finally the kitchen,where he then died.

Do they? Well that can't have happened. There were 3/4 shots in the kitchen.  He had four head wounds which would have incapacitated him, if not killed him straightaway. He couldn't have gone back up the bedroom after that.