How to combat "bias" in chosen, trial judges - Mike Tesko's law...

[jim ignatowski]

Yes,,that's the man.

Hi Lookout
I think it's Henry Brian Globe
Jim

[lookout]

Is it Henry John,Jim.?

Or John Henry ? ( after the song. )

[ngb1066]

Hi Mike
Who manipulates the system?
Are you seriously suggesting that the CPS/DPP can arrange which judge hears a particular case?
Jim

Although they should not, I certainly believe they can and sometimes do influence the decision concerning the judge allocated to a specific case. 

[jim ignatowski]

Although they should not, I certainly believe they can and sometimes do influence the decision concerning the judge allocated to a specific case.

Hi NGB
But who does the manipulation?
Jim

[lookout]

Hi Lookout
I think it's Henry Brian Globe
Jim

I'm not on first name terms,Jim,,just Mr Globe to me.

[ngb1066]

Hi NGB
But who does the manipulation?
Jim

Court staff responsible for listing, having regular contact with counsel's clerks and officials at the CPS/DPP.  Also sometimes judges take steps to be allocated a particular case.  I suspect these things are done usually on a "nod and a wink" basis.  It may not happen now - I have not been involved since the mid 1990s, but it certainly happened then.

[lookout]

Does anyone know of what month in 1986 the CPS was set up ?

[jim ignatowski]

Court staff responsible for listing, having regular contact with counsel's clerks and officials at the CPS/DPP.  Also sometimes judges take steps to be allocated a particular case.  I suspect these things are done usually on a "nod and a wink" basis.  It may not happen now - I have not been involved since the mid 1990s, but it certainly happened then.

Hi NGB
Well, can't both sides play that game?
Jim

[ngb1066]

Hi NGB
Well, can't both sides play that game?
Jim

In theory, yes, but it is far more difficult.  Defendants are obviously represnted by a range of different firms of solicitors.  These solicitors never have staff based at a Crown Court.  The CPS on the other hand act for the proscution is the vast majority of cases.  They frequently have staff based at court.  They therefore know the court staff better and inevitably have more influence as a result of that.

[jim ignatowski]

In theory, yes, but it is far more difficult.  Defendants are obviously represnted by a range of different firms of solicitors.  These solicitors never have staff based at a Crown Court.  The CPS on the other hand act for the proscution is the vast majority of cases.  They frequently have staff based at court.  They therefore know the court staff better and inevitably have more influence as a result of that.

What does "based at court" mean?
jim

[ngb1066]

What does "based at court" mean?
jim

Work in offices within the court building. 

[jim ignatowski]

Work in offices within the court building.

Can you identify one court where CPS employees "work in offices within the court building"?
jim

[ngb1066]

Can you identify one court where CPS employees "work in offices within the court building"?
jim

Certainly when I was in practice there were staff at the Central Criminal Court.  Maybe the position has changed now.  You are a solicitor as I understand it - are you with the CPS?  If so perhaps you could tell us the current position.

[jim ignatowski]

Certainly when I was in practice there were staff at the Central Criminal Court.  Maybe the position has changed now.  You are a solicitor as I understand it - are you with the CPS?  If so perhaps you could tell us the current position.

Hi ngb
i'm not a solicitor but I am familiar with the court setting
I know of no court in the land where CPS employees are "based at" a criminal court
I do, however, accept that at many crown courts there is a room (which contains a telephone) which is used by CPS employees - but that is not (at least in my understanding of the term) an "office"- it's usually used to hang up coats and the like
jim

[ngb1066]

Hi ngb
i'm not a solicitor but I am familiar with the court setting
I know of no court in the land where CPS employees are "based at" a criminal court
I do, however, accept that at many crown courts there is a room (which contains a telephone) which is used by CPS employees - but that is not (at least in my understanding of the term) an "office"- it's usually used to hang up coats and the like
jim

If you are a police officer I accept you will have up to date information about current arrangements for the CPS at court.  Do you go to the CCC?