Super hero, Batman, backs Bamber freedom bid...

[Bridget]

In one magic evening about 2 years ago, old 'dial-a-preece' went from refusing to believe I knew any of the relatives to claiming I was Ann....

Ah...but you gotta larf

[guest154]

I agree.

Mat you were my cousin I think, I'm not sure if that was before or after you were me

I have lost track, Bridget. 

In one magic evening about 2 years ago, old 'dial-a-preece' went from refusing to believe I knew any of the relatives to claiming I was Ann....

Dial a preece!!!!  It's true then!
Yeah, when I first joined I was Ann too.

[guest154]

Timothy you have so many accounts it's hard to keep up with you - how's Sika? 

Well I'm glad you manage it, Detective Hall.

It's nice to see a Hall on the right side of the law.

[Caroline R]

Ordinarily, I would have to complain about this thread being off-topic, however, as it seems to have turned into a discussion about alter ego's and Batman was an alter ego, I guess I can't!! BUT - play nice or there will be culling (god only knows where I would start or .... finish!!) 

[guest154]

no I don't. I shag murderers in my red corvette! I have class, girl.

[guest154]

Why do you keep saying that? Am I supposed to be scared of Simon Hall? How stupid is all of this. Once/if he gets out I doubt he'll be in your presence, never mind mine.

Go fake another pregnancy and leave me alone, fool.

[guest154]

Language Timothy!!!

I shall leave you screaming to yourself, thank you for your entertainment.

[mike tesko]

I really do not want to get into any more arguments, as I don't like falling out with people. I am even trying to be cautious here when I say that whenever I look at those pictures of the dead family I feel as if I am looking at something that should never have been made for public gaze?
At first these photos are shocking. But after seeing them many times they become almost unreal and are treated in a kind of off handed kind of way. I am sure that if my family were murdered in such a horific way I personally would not want pictures plastered up all over the internet for all and sundry to paw over and to disect every day year after year. In fact if they were my family I think I would be campaigning for them to be taken down. I'm not sure how they came to be released into the public domain. But something tells be that they were not officially released. I'm just wondering if it is time to finally put these poor souls to rest and to give them the respect they deserve?

On the other hand...

These images are the very evidence which prove police restaged Sheila Caffells body, in keeping with the findings of the original unedited versions of the 1988 Barrett, and 1993 COLP Reports, so this is not about being disrepectful to the deceased, or any relative, it is about being respectful to a persons right to receive a fair trial, and so that nobody can be blamed for doing something which someone else has done, and did - in this case, police restaged Sheila's body, and blamed Bamber for having done so, now that is a very wicked and evil thing to do. Rather than upset relatives, they should  be welcoming any insight into any wrong doings by the police in respect to mistreatment of a deceased relatives body, rather than be trying to suppress the truth about what the police have done, and did. Not only has justice got to be done to the memory of those who died, it has got to be seen to be done, and not just for the sake of the relatives or thier supporters, it has got to be seen to be done for everybody, because if you allow these evil corrupted police officers and officials to get away with doing, performing, and committing such attrocities as these, there can never be any justice for ordinary people...

Look at Hillsborough, how long it took to make officialdom take action, nobody complained or moaned when footage of the disaster was played and broadcast, and images posted in the papers of people dying and dead on the pitch, or of being crush, or whatever. You cannot let police get away with killing people, and covering things up, somebody has to make a stand, people need to know the truth. In Hillsborough, the relatives of the 96 deceased pressed for the truth, but in the Bamber case, the relatives and thier supporters do not want to know the truth, they are satisfied that in the end after a change (SC/688/85 to SC/786/85) in direction of the investigation, police finally arrived at the truth the relatives had been promoting right from the word go, which would and did open the floodgates for them to financial bliss...

[mike tesko]

How many ordinary people, would tolerate police tampering and being disrepectful to the body of a loved one, or relative, or a friend, and want to do nothing about it? The families of the Hillsborough 96 had the right attitude and approach, police gambled on pulling the wool over everybodies eyes in that case, blaming drunken Liverpool supporters for doing things they did not do, and had't done - but they picked on the wrong crowd, and the wrong people - Bambers case is similar, they have blamed Jeremy Bamber for staging the body of Sheila in the bedroom, on the bedroom floor, when it was the police who had, and did restage it. In this case, (Bamber), police took photographs of the body they restaged, and presented them to the jury, as evidence of what they had found, and what Bamber had done, when all along it was a sham, a set up, where police had to restage the scene, because of something which occurred after the raid team entered the house, that ordinary members of the public, were never supposed to find out about...

Shame on Essex police, shame on the relatives, and thier supporters, for not wanting the truth to come out, about what really took place surrounding Sheila's death, inside the bedroom - I honestly do not know how any of you, and them, can sleep at night...

[mike tesko]

Batman on the case, in pursuit of the truth:-

"The truth will be revealed, about police restaging Sheila Caffells body, photographing it, and using those photographs of the victims body they restaged, to blame Jeremy Bamber for being responsible for doing that, which the police in this case, did...

[mike tesko]

"The way these restaged photographs have been manipulated by police to convict someone, is, I am afraid to say, farcical...

[lookout]

Mike,,,the fault of the pics in the first place was the media,,and if I'd been family,I would have objected strongly and even taken them to court if they dared show anything in the newspapers, pertaining to the actual crime scene.
It could have been blocked,,but it didn't appear that there were any objections,,,and so instead of yourself or anyone else being blamed for material posted on here,,remember that they had to come from somewhere in the first place.
If we're talking about intrusions,,then books that have been written prove so,,,for the world and his wife to see,not just on this forum.
Any book that's written is a personal insight into the lives of the Bamber family. Is this not also distasteful.?
How can anyone blatantly accuse Jeremy anyway.? There was never the evidence to back-up the conviction,,nor the proof.

BTW,,the last time I looked on the red forum,,there were the photos' of Sheila too.!

[Lugg]

On the other hand...

These images are the very evidence which prove police restaged Sheila Caffells body, in keeping with the findings of the original unedited versions of the 1988 Barrett, and 1993 COLP Reports, so this is not about being disrepectful to the deceased, or any relative, it is about being respectful to a persons right to receive a fair trial, and so that nobody can be blamed for doing something which someone else has done, and did - in this case, police restaged Sheila's body, and blamed Bamber for having done so, now that is a very wicked and evil thing to do. Rather than upset relatives, they should  be welcoming any insight into any wrong doings by the police in respect to mistreatment of a deceased relatives body, rather than be trying to suppress the truth about what the police have done, and did. Not only has justice got to be done to the memory of those who died, it has got to be seen to be done, and not just for the sake of the relatives or thier supporters, it has got to be seen to be done for everybody, because if you allow these evil corrupted police officers and officials to get away with doing, performing, and committing such attrocities as these, there can never be any justice for ordinary people...

Look at Hillsborough, how long it took to make officialdom take action, nobody complained or moaned when footage of the disaster was played and broadcast, and images posted in the papers of people dying and dead on the pitch, or of being crush, or whatever. You cannot let police get away with killing people, and covering things up, somebody has to make a stand, people need to know the truth. In Hillsborough, the relatives of the 96 deceased pressed for the truth, but in the Bamber case, the relatives and thier supporters do not want to know the truth, they are satisfied that in the end after a change (SC/688/85 to SC/786/85) in direction of the investigation, police finally arrived at the truth the relatives had been promoting right from the word go, which would and did open the floodgates for them to financial bliss...

I understand what you are saying Mike. But I just have visions of say if that was a picture of my son or my daughter being displayed on the internet for years on end that would recreate the horror every day for me when I should be trying to remember the good times and how they looked when they were alive. I remember seeing a picture of a crash victim on the internet. A very beautiful girl. The crash killed her and mutilated her face in a horific way and I remember the victim's family complaining about it. It was put there entirely without their permission and for what? For those who looked out of curiosity and nothing else. I can see how these things can affect people and especially the relatives, who remember don't only consist of 3 or 4 people. But also those who were children at the time of the massacre, who are now grown up. One cannot think of the mental traumer of these folk?

[lookout]

I'd like to know how many people went running to the press .?

[mike tesko]

I understand what you are saying Mike. But I just have visions of say if that was a picture of my son or my daughter being displayed on the internet for years on end that would recreate the horror every day for me when I should be trying to remember the good times and how they looked when they were alive. I remember seeing a picture of a crash victim on the internet. A very beautiful girl. The crash killed her and mutilated her face in a horific way and I remember the victim's family complaining about it. It was put there entirely without their permission and for what? For those who looked out of curiosity and nothing else. I can see how these things can affect people and especially the relatives, who remember don't only consist of 3 or 4 people. But also those who were children at the time of the massacre, who are now grown up. One cannot think of the mental traumer of these folk?

I believe your views would be different if you thought police had restaged the body of a loved one...