Tesko files - the COLP interview / statement of PS Woodcock (Special branch)...

[mike tesko]

Tesko files - the COLP interview / statement of PS Woodcock (Special branch)...

[lookout]

Fingernails around Junes' neck. Silly question,,but were they measured.?

[No-Bits]

Notes now added to library.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.msg34476.html#msg34476


It makes a change to be able to read the hand writing. 

[Jan]

thanks that's interesting.If there were fingerprints round junes neck in the blood they were presumably made by someone not wearing gloves then?

[Alias]

thanks that's interesting.If there were fingerprints round junes neck in the blood they were presumably made by someone not wearing gloves then?

Perhaps her own hands? - she had a shot to her neck.

Fingernail-marks or fingerprints? Haven´t had time to read it. 

[Jan]

Perhaps her own hands? - she had a shot to her neck.

Fingernail-marks or fingerprints? Haven´t had time to read it. 

yes possibly - but possibly not? the officer seemed to think it was of importance as he mentioned it twice. 

[scipio_usmc]

thanks that's interesting.If there were fingerprints round junes neck in the blood they were presumably made by someone not wearing gloves then?

It says fingermarks not fingerprints.  Fingermarks are essentially bruises left by fingers and can be left with gloves on as well.

The amazing thing is how wrong the police at the scene were.  They believed Sheila attacked Nevill in the kitchen, that woke up June and Sheila then shot June on the stairs (because of that errant casing that was in the hall) that she went and shot the boys and then shot June again before killing herself.

This scenario fails to account for all the shell casings in the master bedroom.  They see unaware of how many times June was shot and totally ignore the lack of blood in the hall.

It was a rude awakening when the forensic team pieced together the events and told them that they were not even close.   

[scipio_usmc]

yes possibly - but possibly not? the officer seemed to think it was of importance as he mentioned it twice.

He was describing the errant theory of the initial police and the supposed fingermarks played into that.  It is unclear whether he was intending a larger point of saying that since Sheila had long nails had her hand been holding June's throat then her nails would have dug in and thus this ruled her out as being the one holding the throat.  He was a firearms officer.  Holding the gun with one hand far enough away to be able to aim it between June's eyes and yet holding her by the throat with the other hand is pretty outlandish.  It could simply be his way of stressing they were so inept they came up with this outlandish scenario and that he wasn't even driving at the additional point of her nails.

[lookout]

 " Although we hadn't been searching for anything else,leaving our search,we came across 3? guns,one shotgun and the gun on Sheilas' body.We assumed the gun on Sheilas' body was used to kill the others."


One should NEVER assume anything !

[Jan]

notice what he says about the position of the head in this statement as well .

Not as it is seen in the photos

[lookout]

" Although we hadn't been searching for anything else,leaving our search,we came across 3? guns,one shotgun and the gun on Sheilas' body.We assumed the gun on Sheilas' body was used to kill the others."


One should NEVER assume anything !

It didn't say where the shotgun was. In the bedroom perhaps ?

[Jan]

It didn't say where the shotgun was. In the bedroom perhaps ?

he does in another statement.


I am more interested in the head position

So we have more than one officer indicating the head position was different when she was found - which could mean to take the photos they did move her body down  . perhaps lifted the gun off to do so - and then put it back.

would that explain some of the ways the blood trails on her face flow?

if her head was up against the cupboard  how did the blood flow from her nose to her eye?

[lookout]

The way of the blood trails was mentioned by one of the cops who said that she'd been in a sitting position when shot,then leaned back with her head on the floor,so the blood would run upwards.

[Alias]

he does in another statement.


I am more interested in the head position

So we have more than one officer indicating the head position was different when she was found - which could mean to take the photos they did move her body down  . perhaps lifted the gun off to do so - and then put it back.

would that explain some of the ways the blood trails on her face flow?

if her head was up against the cupboard  how did the blood flow from her nose to her eye?

That would obviously not be possible with her head in a slightly upright position. The bloodstreams on each side of her mouth are also wrong if in that position.

[scipio_usmc]

he does in another statement.


I am more interested in the head position

So we have more than one officer indicating the head position was different when she was found - which could mean to take the photos they did move her body down  . perhaps lifted the gun off to do so - and then put it back.

would that explain some of the ways the blood trails on her face flow?

if her head was up against the cupboard  how did the blood flow from her nose to her eye?

It flowed from her nose to her eye because her head was back. 



His account that her head was up in the air is at odds with the account of others who insist it was as is in this above photo when police found her. 

It is easy to misrember things later when writing them down.  There is no support that her head was moved by police prior to taking these photos. He took the gun off to clear it after this photo was taken.

Clearly if her head was propped up against the stand not just on the floor touching against it that presents even less ability for the blood to out of the sides of the mouth the way it did or to the eye.

That would be an even stronger indication she was murdered then moved and her head placed on the stand. But her head was on the floor.