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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2013, 06:58:AM »
It should be clear to everybody, that at some stage after entry was made to get into the kitchen by police, and prior to PC Bird taking his crime scene photographs in the kitchen from 10 am, that police lifted his body and repositioned it, so that Ralphs head was inside the coal hod...

This is what must have happened, and this is what did happen...
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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2013, 07:04:AM »
How did the pair of cotton trousers, the towel, and seat cushions from the overturned wooden chair upon which Ralphs body was sat upon, end up on the kitchen floor, controlling and soaking up Ralphs blood - did the killer do it, did Jeremy do it, did Sheila do it, no, it was / is the police who did it...

But not one police officer admits to carrying out such actions, and it was never part of the prosecutions case either at the October 1986 Crown court trial, or the 2002 failed appeal, that police found the scene in the kitchen, as shown in PC Birds crime scene photograph...

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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2013, 07:06:AM »
Here is another view of the kitchen scene from another angle:-
« Last Edit: April 20, 2013, 07:18:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2013, 07:12:AM »
Whoever stage managed Ralph Bambers body in this position, did so in a controlled manner, which is consistent with the police having done it, not some deranged killer, not some hired hit man, not Sheila, not Jeremy, but the police...
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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2013, 07:23:AM »
So, who is lying...

Is Jeremy lying, am I lying, or are the police lying?

Why would the police want to lie about moving Ralphs body and plonking his head in the coal hod, and re-arranging the kitchen scene by putting a wooden chair against the internal door through which the raid team entered the kitchen, and why would police place clothing, a towel and the seat cushions upon and adjacent to the pooled blood from the wounds on Ralphs head when it was sent crashing to the floor, and make out a false case for the scene having been discovered thus, unless police had got, have got a dark secret that they want to, and intend to hide?
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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2013, 07:25:AM »
So, who is lying...

Is Jeremy lying, am I lying, or are the police lying?

Why would the police want to lie about moving Ralphs body and plonking his head in the coal hod, and re-arranging the kitchen scene by putting a wooden chair against the internal door through which the raid team entered the kitchen, and why would police place clothing, a towel and the seat cushions upon and adjacent to the pooled blood from the wounds on Ralphs head when it was sent crashing to the floor, and make out a false case for the scene having been discovered thus, unless police had got, have got a dark secret that they want to, and intend to hide?

Did police stage manage the scene in the kitchen, before PC Bird took these photographs?

Of course they did...
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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2013, 07:27:AM »
Why have police lied about this matter?
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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2013, 07:37:AM »
Lets start with a look at the sequence with which PC Bird says he started to take his crime scene photographs at the scene - 10am...

He lied, or DS "Stan" Jones lied, about when he seized exhibits, SBJ/1, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4, from the scene - they both can't be telling the truth, because the calendar seen hanging on the left hand leg of the aga surround in one photograph, is absent and missing in the other crime scene photograph, and one of the four exhibits seized by DS Jones on 7th August 1985, was / is this very same calender which has gone missing in the photographs taken...
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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2013, 07:40:AM »
Chair upon which Ralphs body was sat upon behind the internal kitchen door, simply slid out of the way, because the chair was standing on lino...
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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2013, 07:43:AM »
Chair upon which Ralphs body was sat upon behind the internal kitchen door, simply slid out of the way, because the chair was standing on lino...

Lino should have been seized, and defence permitted access to it, so that expert opinion could be sought with a view to establishing that  the overturned wooden chair with Ralph Bambers body sat upon it, was slid out of position from directly behind the internal kitchen door, to its toppled over position as shown in the aforementioned / posted images...
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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2013, 07:45:AM »
Lino should have been seized, and defence permitted access to it, so that expert opinion could be sought with a view to establishing that  the overturned wooden chair with Ralph Bambers body sat upon it, was slid out of position from directly behind the internal kitchen door, to its toppled over position as shown in the aforementioned / posted images...

If, as I say, that is where the wooden chair upon which was sat Ralphs body, before it was pushed / moved out of position was situated, there will be scientific evidence on the surface of the aforementioned lino to establish that / this...
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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2013, 07:48:AM »
If, as I say, that is where the wooden chair upon which was sat Ralphs body, before it was pushed / moved out of position was situated, there will be scientific evidence on the surface of the aforementioned lino to establish that / this...

Tell you what - why don't CCRC look at the shocking / sensitive images on the crime scene video to confirm that police tampered with the positions and locations of the bodies of the victims?
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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2013, 07:50:AM »
CCRC won't do it, because they are corrupt, they are simply a tool of the state there to protect the image of the Criminal justice system - police don't lie, police don't falsify evidence, police do not kill anyone...
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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2013, 08:46:AM »
Sheila could not have stage-managed her fathers' body because he'd quite literally have been a dead weight. In fact,it would have taken two men to do that to avoid dropping him.

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Re: Does the evidence of PC Collins prove Bamber is innocent?
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2013, 10:03:AM »
For Patti...........Delgado's statement describes Neville's body as being "balanced" against the cupboard.