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Offline Jane

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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2013, 08:02:AM »
I believe I Know the answer to this matter - I had sone information passed onto me awhile back by someone who wishes to remain anonymous...



So Mike, will you please us by revealing OR tease us by withholding ;D

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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2013, 09:08:AM »


So Mike, will you please us by revealing OR tease us by withholding ;D

Personally, after reading the testimony, it makes more sense. I'm happy with the explanation although I don't understand why (as you say) it was mentioned by DB without further explanation. However, this was a difficult time and I guess he just needed to get as many thoughts down as possible.

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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2013, 09:14:AM »
I believe I Know the answer to this matter - I had sone information passed onto me awhile back by someone who wishes to remain anonymous...

Then stop behaving like a 10 year old and publish. I'm sure to get more playground insults now! Informant?! Who would possibly come to you with information when you don't do anything with it?!
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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2013, 12:07:PM »


So Mike, will you please us by revealing OR tease us by withholding ;D

I received information about the shotgun blast overheard by the witness Smith which he reportedly heard / reported coming from the general vicinity of whf between 9:30 and 10:15pm, on evening 6th August 1985.Apparently Smith told police that th shotgun blast had been discharged outside the farmhouse, not inside. This would have been at the time Ralph walked his dogs. Anyway, police looked into the possibility that Ralph could have been confronted by someone and that he had fired off a shot with the 12 bore. Police received information that an estate car with ladders on its roof was seen travelling up Pages Lane around the time of the shotgun blast. Police search the grounds for any spent shotgun cases but did not find any - the only spent cartridge caze case found at the scene was a solitary Raker shotgun cartridge found inside the same box as the silencer, anshulz rifles metal end cap in the gun cupboard in the downstairs office. Police had found a shotgun downstairs at the scene which Ralph  normally kept loaded under his bed - when police found this gun at the scene it still had a spent RAKER cartridge in its barrel. Peter Eaton took the spent cartridge out of the guns barrel and concealed it in the same box David Boutflour found the silencer in on the following day. He also put the aforementioned shotgun back in there...

Police searched gun cupboard on 7th August and there was no silencer present. Keys to whf were handed to Eatons on evening on 9th August, and Peter Eaton put shotgun and spent cartridge case in the gun cupboard - more importantly, he placed spent RAKER shotgun cartridge in same box sikencer was didcovered on the following day by David Boutflour...

This activity was not knpwn about by anybody else other than the relatives...

« Last Edit: March 26, 2013, 12:19:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2013, 12:26:PM »
When Peter Eaton moved the shotgun and cartridge case into the gun cupboard, before the witness Smith came forward with his evidence of having heard the shotgun blast - did what Eaton did on that occasion have any sinister connotations...
« Last Edit: March 26, 2013, 01:55:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #50 on: March 26, 2013, 01:18:PM »
I received information about the shotgun blast overheard by the witness Smith which he reportedly heard / reported coming from the general vicinity of whf between 9:30 and 10:15pm, on evening 6th August 1985.Apparently Smith told police that th shotgun blast had been discharged outside the farmhouse, not inside. This would have been at the time Ralph walked his dogs. Anyway, police looked into the possibility that Ralph could have been confronted by someone and that he had fired off a shot with the 12 bore. Police received information that an estate car with ladders on its roof was seen travelling up Pages Lane around the time of the shotgun blast. Police search the grounds for any spent shotgun cases but did not find any - the only spent cartridge caze case found at the scene was a solitary Raker shotgun cartridge found inside the same box as the silencer, anshulz rifles metal end cap in the gun cupboard in the downstairs office. Police had found a shotgun downstairs at the scene which Ralph  normally kept loaded under his bed - when police found this gun at the scene it still had a spent RAKER cartridge in its barrel. Peter Eaton took the spent cartridge out of the guns barrel and concealed it in the same box David Boutflour found the silencer in on the following day. He also put the aforementioned shotgun back in there...

Police searched gun cupboard on 7th August and there was no silencer present. Keys to whf were handed to Eatons on evening on 9th August, and Peter Eaton put shotgun and spent cartridge case in the gun cupboard - more importantly, he placed spent RAKER shotgun cartridge in same box sikencer was didcovered on the following day by David Boutflour...

This activity was not knpwn about by anybody else other than the relatives...
Hi Mike, was that the shotgun which had Sheila's fingerprints on it?

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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2013, 02:02:PM »
Hi Mike, was that the shotgun which had Sheila's fingerprints on it?

Sheila's and Ralphs fingerprints on it, yes - but her fingerprints were also founs on the BSA air rifle (as were Ealphs), and Sheila's and Jeremys were found on the anshyls rifle...
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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2013, 02:21:PM »
Sheila's and Ralphs fingerprints on it, yes - but her fingerprints were also founs on the BSA air rifle (as were Ealphs), and Sheila's and Jeremys were found on the anshyls rifle...
Yes, I know it doesn't prove anything but it's interesting that Sheila's fingerprints were on various guns.imo

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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2013, 04:12:PM »
I received information about the shotgun blast overheard by the witness Smith which he reportedly heard / reported coming from the general vicinity of whf between 9:30 and 10:15pm, on evening 6th August 1985.Apparently Smith told police that th shotgun blast had been discharged outside the farmhouse, not inside. This would have been at the time Ralph walked his dogs. Anyway, police looked into the possibility that Ralph could have been confronted by someone and that he had fired off a shot with the 12 bore. Police received information that an estate car with ladders on its roof was seen travelling up Pages Lane around the time of the shotgun blast. Police search the grounds for any spent shotgun cases but did not find any - the only spent cartridge caze case found at the scene was a solitary Raker shotgun cartridge found inside the same box as the silencer, anshulz rifles metal end cap in the gun cupboard in the downstairs office. Police had found a shotgun downstairs at the scene which Ralph  normally kept loaded under his bed - when police found this gun at the scene it still had a spent RAKER cartridge in its barrel. Peter Eaton took the spent cartridge out of the guns barrel and concealed it in the same box David Boutflour found the silencer in on the following day. He also put the aforementioned shotgun back in there...

Police searched gun cupboard on 7th August and there was no silencer present. Keys to whf were handed to Eatons on evening on 9th August, and Peter Eaton put shotgun and spent cartridge case in the gun cupboard - more importantly, he placed spent RAKER shotgun cartridge in same box sikencer was didcovered on the following day by David Boutflour...

This activity was not knpwn about by anybody else other than the relatives...


So, which superpower does your 'informant' possess, for you to know that this happened? Or, will you now claim that a relative is an informant?!

You need to get out more!
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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2013, 07:09:PM »
Police suspected that there was some sort of an altercation in the immediate vixinity of the farmhouse grounds which led to the discharge of the shotgun blasr witnessed by local residwnt Smith. The Ali pongo squad don't like it  qhen details like this arw mentioned publicklt because it throws up suspicion on one or other relative...
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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #55 on: March 26, 2013, 07:15:PM »
Sheila's and Ralphs fingerprints on it, yes - but her fingerprints were also founs on the BSA air rifle (as were Ealphs), and Sheila's and Jeremys were found on the anshyls rifle...
Maybe she got hold of a few guns before she finally came across the rifle? All we have been considering is just one rifle. If her fingerprints were found on both the air rifle and the shotgun then it should be important enough to ask why?

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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #56 on: March 26, 2013, 07:23:PM »
Maybe she got hold of a few guns before she finally came across the rifle? All we have been considering is just one rifle. If her fingerprints were found on both the air rifle and the shotgun then it should be important enough to ask why?
Absolutely Lugg,  If nothing else it proves that Sheila had handled a few different guns in the recent past even if not on that particular night which is contrary to suggestions from the rellies that she never handled guns. 
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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #57 on: March 26, 2013, 07:40:PM »
Police only recovered one spent shotgun cartridgw feom the scene in connection with the shotgun blast incident and that was the spenr RAKER cartridge David Biurflour found in the same box as the silencer in the gun cupboard on 10th August. Thw box it wasfound in belonged to Peter Eaton, and thw shotgun it was fired from was thw 12 bore shotgun which was loaded and kept under Mr and Mrs Bambers bed. Peter Eaton pur this shotgun back un the cupboard on evwning of 9tgAugust, the same night polucw fave keys to whf to the Eatons.  Whwn police fingerprinted the shotgun in question, they found Ralphs and Sheila's prinrs on the shotguns barrel...
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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #58 on: March 26, 2013, 08:05:PM »
Police suspected that there was some sort of an altercation in the immediate vixinity of the farmhouse grounds which led to the discharge of the shotgun blasr witnessed by local residwnt Smith. The Ali pongo squad don't like it  qhen details like this arw mentioned publicklt because it throws up suspicion on one or other relative...
Of course it's only supposition but Ralph(Nevill) could have fired the 12 bore to check if it was working;the same could be said for Jeremy with the .22 anschutz. If Nevill normally had a loaded 12 bore concealed under his bed then Jeremy would have wanted to neutralize this threat before returning in the small hours of Wednesday 7 August 1985.

Did Jeremy remove this weapon from under Nevill's bed and is this why Nevill was short-tempered on the phone with farm secretary Barbara Wilson? Was the whole rabbits story a lie by Jeremy who used it as a pretext to prime the gun for murder? Would Nevill or June upon entering the kitchen leave an open box of ammunition by the phone before they went to bed,or is this just another of Jeremy's lies as he hid it some place else before slipping a downstairs casement that morning with murder in mind?
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Re: Why would Bamber say this in 2003?
« Reply #59 on: March 26, 2013, 08:09:PM »
Of course it's only supposition but Ralph(Nevill) could have fired the 12 bore to check if it was working;the same could be said for Jeremy with the .22 anschutz. If Nevill normally had a loaded 12 bore concealed under his bed then Jeremy would have wanted to neutralize this threat before returning in the small hours of Wednesday 7 August 1985.

Did Jeremy remove this weapon from under Nevill's bed and is this why Nevill was short-tempered on the phone with farm secretary Barbara Wilson? Was the whole rabbits story a lie by Jeremy who used it as a pretext to prime the gun for murder? Would Nevill or June upon entering the kitchen leave an open box of ammunition by the phone before they went to bed,or is this just another of Jeremy's lies as he hid it some place else before slipping a downstairs casement that morning with murder in mind?


Have you read the statement that Barbara Wilson gave the police in 1991?