Jeremy got to scene (whf) much faster than people give him credit for...

[-Harters-]

This gets even more interesting
So, JB says in the interview that he received a tel call from "Dad" at 3.15 - 3.30 and following the ending of that tel call he tried to ring his "Dad" back but received an engaged tone.
JB then says that "that's when I rang the police"
So, the tel call to Jule must have been after the tel call to the police
What a shame that when JB was interviewed by the police, he didn't know whether he made the tel call to Julie before or after he made the tel call to the police
So, JB's memory/recollection of the sequence in which he made the tel calls has improved as time has proceeded.
You just couldn't make it up lol

But that doesn't give him enough time to get to WHF for 3:50.

[lookout]

I just meant that I find the notion of you listening to Jeremys voice and closing your eyes to be quite strange.

You don't need to prove anything, I'll take your word for it.

I didn't close my eyes until I realised that the voice itself sounded familiar,,then I just closed my eyes and knew why it was so familiar,that's all. Nothing strange about that,,or me.

[jim ignatowski]

It is what Jeremy said when he testified that counts as his evidence, not what his counsel might have said whilst cross examining a witness...

Well Mike
Have you listened to the taped interview posted by Vidvic?
JB times the tel call he received at between 3.15 and 3.30
On any view, it was a very short call
Jb then tried on a number of occasions to ring his "Dad" back (without success)
"and that's when I rang the police."
It just doesn't add up to a tel call to the police at 3.36am
This is pure invention by JB who, having seen a reference to the call to the police being timed at 3.36am, has undoubtedly changed his version of events to fit that timing
Jim

[jim ignatowski]

But that doesn't give him enough time to get to WHF for 3:50.

I agree Yeltrah
The (obvious) explanation for all this guff about timings/sequencing/JB changing his case is because there never was a tel call from "Dad"!

[-Harters-]

I agree Yeltrah
The (obvious) explanation for all this guff about timings/sequencing/JB changing his case is because there never was a tel call from "Dad"!

Either to Jeremy or to the police. It is completely fictional.

I do wonder why, or rather how, people are taken in by all of this 'guff' (good word for it).

[Alias]

To be honest, I don´t know how to feel about this telephone interview with Jeremy. There is something that bothers me about it apart from more palpable factors as the timing- maybe the bit about the "had a hot drink, an´ I don´t, I don´t (he stammers a little bit) think I had anything to eat, ´n I had a quick bath......." He doesn´t need to say that - he is volunteering information, which, I am afraid, is a sign of deception; he is making a point of it just being a normal night. (I could be over-interpreting.) Then he takes a very deep breath in before he says, "around three fifteen....."
And what about the emphasis on "THE gun", what is that about??

Oh, well, he could have just been nervous about the interview and over-eager to make a good impression.

[jim ignatowski]

The other thing to remember is that during a trial counsel for the prosecution and consel for the defence share information which might not be officially disclosed, and under these circumstances Rivlin QC may have been privvy to information, not known about by Jeremy...

This could have been the existence of the earlier call log details (3:26am) which Jeremy did not find out about until many years later...

This is absolute codswallop
Of course, from time to time, information is shared by Counsel on a confidential "Counsel to Counsel" basis
But (and it's a huge "but") no Counsel involved in such an "arrangement" would thereafter utilise that information in open court!
Jim

[Alias]

Well Mike
Have you listened to the taped interview posted by Vidvic?
JB times the tel call he received at between 3.13 and 3.30
On any view, it was a very short call
Jb then tried on a number of occasions to ring his "Dad" back (without success)
"and that's when I rang the police."
It just doesn't add up to a tel call to the police at 3.36am
This is pure invention by JB who, having seen a reference to the call to the police being timed at 3.36am, has undoubtedly changed his version of events to fit that timing
Jim

Umm, normally I don´t say anything, but this sort of thing happens a lot here, so now I am tired of it. It was posted by me. 

[jim ignatowski]

Umm, normally I don´t say anything, but this sort of thing happens a lot here, so now I am tired of it. It was posted by me. 

Awwwwwww , I'm so sorry Alias- please accept my humble apology
Jim

[-Harters-]

Awwwwwww , I'm so sorry Alias- please accept my humble apology
Jim

Apology accepted Jim, no worries. 

(sorry alias, couldn't resist  )

[Alias]

Awwwwwww , I'm so sorry Alias- please accept my humble apology
Jim

Sure - gives me the upper hand though. Now I know you don´t pay attention to what you read!   

[jim ignatowski]

Phone records prove that Jeremy called police at 3:36am, and that he arrived at the scene at 3:52am...

Jeremys call to Mugford was recorded at 3:30am, before Jeremy called the police (3:36am) - if Jeremy's call to the police was timed as suggested at 3;26am, it would mean that Jeremys call to Mugford was after he called police, not beforehand...

Truth of the matter is that Ralph called Jeremy at 3:25am, Ralph called police at 3:26am, panic alarm was activated at 3:29am, Jeremy called Mugford at 3:30am, and Jeremy called police at 3:36am, and Jeremy arrived at the scene at 3:52am..

Hi Mike
Can you please help with a couple of things please
If JB's call to Mugford was made prior to JB's call to the police, that contradicts JB's interview posted by Alias - in that interview JB says that follwing his receipt of the tel call from "Dad" he, without success, attempted to ring "Dad" back and "that's when I rang the police".
Can you please tell me whether JB's case is that he made a tel call to the police before he made a tel call to Juile or whether he made a tel call to Julie before he made a tel call to the police?
I'm confused
Jim

[Patti]

I thought the call was made at 3:26. It was first logged at 3:36 but the person that had made the original Log admitted that he made a mistake, because the first car was dispatched at 3:35, so it was not possible for the call to have began at 3:36, so it was excepted that it was made at 3:26 and likely to have ended after 3:35....

[jim ignatowski]

I thought the call was made at 3:26. It was first logged at 3:36 but the person that had made the original Log admitted that he made a mistake, because the first car was dispatched at 3:35, so it was not possible for the call to have began at 3:36, so it was excepted that it was made at 3:26 and likely to have ended after 3:35....

Hi Patti
I agree with your understanding of the call from JB to the Police taking place at 03.26
I'm afraid that Mike will not accept this timing
If that call lasted 11 minutes (as asserted by Mike) that takes us to 11.37
JB then spent 15 minutes apparently (again according to Mike's timing) to travel a distance of 3/4 miles - Mike appears to equivocate between JB driving at least part of that journey at a fast speed and him driving at a modest speed throughout the journey
However, 15 mins is a long time
Of course, without sight of an official document, I am not prepared to accept that that tel call lasted 11 minutes and again, in any event, you will know that I do not accept that JB received any tel call from "Dad"
Jim

[lookout]

Hi Patti
I agree with your understanding of the call from JB to the Police taking place at 03.26
I'm afraid that Mike will not accept this timing
If that call lasted 11 minutes (as asserted by Mike) that takes us to 11.37
JB then spent 15 minutes apparently (again according to Mike's timing) to travel a distance of 3/4 miles - Mike appears to equivocate between JB driving at least part of that journey at a fast speed and him driving at a modest speed throughout the journey
However, 15 mins is a long time
Of course, without sight of an official document, I am not prepared to accept that that tel call lasted 11 minutes and again, in any event, you will know that I do not accept that JB received any tel call from "Dad"
Jim

Jim,,,wasn't there a time lapse when Jeremy was left waiting on the phone,,then when an officer got back to him,,Jeremy had then said," Christ,,what kept you."