Jeremy got to scene (whf) much faster than people give him credit for...

[-Harters-]

Jim...Mike says JB was driving down Pages Lane at 03.52? It's possible.JB called police at 03.36 and the call is alleged to have lasted 11 minutes.That leaves 5 minutes for him to get to WHF.

It would also mean that the police travelled from Witham police station to Pages Lane in about 11 or 12 minutes or less, which simply isn't possible.

JB called West at 3:26, which is what is recorded in Wests first statement dated 9th August 1985. The 3:36 time is a mistake.

Don't forget that there is also a call to Julie to make before leaving.

[vidvic]

It would also mean that the police travelled from Witham police station to Pages Lane in about 11 or 12 minutes or less, which simply isn't possible.

JB called West at 3:26, which is what is recorded in Wests first statement dated 9th August 1985. The 3:36 time is a mistake.

Don't forget that there is also a call to Julie to make before leaving.

No no no Harts.....in prison interview with mike Tesko, published on this forum, bamber admitted that he'd lied to police and the Jury and had indeed called Julie BEFORE the call to police... : )

[mike tesko]

It would also mean that the police travelled from Witham police station to Pages Lane in about 11 or 12 minutes or less, which simply isn't possible.

JB called West at 3:26, which is what is recorded in Wests first statement dated 9th August 1985. The 3:36 time is a mistake.

Don't forget that there is also a call to Julie to make before leaving.

Police were deployed to the scene at 3;35am, before Jeremy called the police a minute later at 3:36am, an unexplained mystery according to the appeal judgement (2002). Jeremy called the police at 3:36am, it was Ralph who called the police at 3:26am, and told them that his "daughter had got hold of one of his guns", which was recorded. The same record was added to 10 minutes later after Jeremys call to the police at 3:36am, nothing could be any clearer...

When Jeremy called police at 3:36am, and a record was made of his call at that time, the earlier call details from Ralph could not be added to it because Ralph called police (3:26am) before Jeremy called them (3:36am). Infact, the earlier timed log (3:26am) confirms the sequence with which Mr Bamber senior, and Mr Bamber Junior, both called the police, 3:26am and 3:36am, with quotes from both callers in the same log (3:26am)...

[Lugg]

It would also mean that the police travelled from Witham police station to Pages Lane in about 11 or 12 minutes or less, which simply isn't possible.

JB called West at 3:26, which is what is recorded in Wests first statement dated 9th August 1985. The 3:36 time is a mistake.

Don't forget that there is also a call to Julie to make before leaving.

Ah right. I hadn't seen that before.

[Lugg]

No no no Harts.....in prison interview with mike Tesko, published on this forum, bamber admitted that he'd lied to police and the Jury and had indeed called Julie BEFORE the call to police... : )

Not according to Steve-uk. He said that he called the police before he called Julie. Who is right?

[vidvic]

Not according to Steve-uk. He said that he called the police before he called Julie. Who is right?

Ah, well, Lugg. Mike Tesko was in prison with bamber and he told us that his interview with bamber was real, not made up, so we have to believe everything mike Tesko says, as he never lies....

[mike tesko]

No no no Harts.....in prison interview with mike Tesko, published on this forum, bamber admitted that he'd lied to police and the Jury and had indeed called Julie BEFORE the call to police... : )

That is not strictly true, Jeremy did not say to me, "I deliberately lied to the police about the time I called Julie and the police", After a discussion between us about that matter it quickly became apparent to me that Jeremys call to her had taken place before his call to the police, chiefly because he never mentioned to Mugford that he had called the police and they had instructed him to go directly to the scene - he would have mentioned something about this to Mugford if he had spiken to police. A complete absence of any mention of the police by Jeremy to Mugford wass enough to convince me which order Jeremy made those calls...

[maggie]

That is not strictly true, Jeremy did not say to me, "I deliberately lied to the police about the time I called Julie and the police", After a discussion between us about that matter it quickly became apparent to me that Jeremys call to her had taken place before his call to the police, chiefly because he never mentioned to Mugford that he had called the police and they had instructed him to go directly to the scene - he would have mentioned something about this to Mugford if he had spiken to police. A complete absence of any mention of the police by Jeremy to Mugford wass enough to convince me which order Jeremy made those calls...

That does make sense, if he had already called them he would have mentioned it surely.

[Bridget]

That does make sense, if he had already called them he would have mentioned it surely.

Didn't she tell him to go back to sleep? His answer would surely have been 'no, they've told me to go to the farm' if he'd already spoken to police.

[mike tesko]

Didn't she tell him to go back to sleep? His answer would surely have been 'no, they've told me to go to the farm' if he'd already spoken to police.

Yes, Bridget, I agree with you on this / that point...

Jeremy agreed with this sequence of events a long time ago, when we sat down and went through everything, bit by bit...

[jim ignatowski]

Under cross examination PC West states that the time of the call was 03:36 and that to his knowledge, the clock he used to register the time was not 10 mins fast.

Well, how extraordinary!!!
I have now read the cross examination of PC West
Rivlin QC  puts to PC West that the phone call from JB to the police was at 03.26!
So, extraordinarily, it was then JB's case case that he made his phone call at 03.26 !!!
So, JB has changed his case since the time of the Trial
Perhaps Mike would wish to comment?
Jim

[mike tesko]

Well, how extraordinary!!!
I have now read the cross examination of PC West
Rivlin QC  puts to PC West that the phone call from JB to the police was at 03.26!
So, extraordinarily, it was then JB's case case that he made his phone call at 03.26 !!!
So, JB has changed his case since the time of the Trial
Perhaps Mike would wish to comment?
Jim

So, where did Rivlin QC get his information from, and why not discuss this with Jeremy?

[mike tesko]

Watch the route taken by Jeremy, from his cottage to whf, on 7th August 1985, as recorded by me and posted on You Tube, at the following link address:-

(1) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJWOymoAlaU

[mike tesko]

Watch the route taken by Jeremy, from his cottage to whf, on 7th August 1985, as recorded by me and posted on You Tube, at the following link address:-

(1) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJWOymoAlaU

It took me seven minutes to travel this route from 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, to Pages lane WHF, and on the night in question (7th August 1985) Jeremy travelled the same route in five minutes - how can anyone suggest that he took his time in getting to the scene, after police told him to go there immediately. He travelled the same route two whole minutes faster than I did in the trial journey...

Jeremy must have been speeding at some stage of his journey to get to whf in five minutes, even though he had to slow down, when the police car (CA07) with flashing lights hurtled along the Tollesbury road behind him, which caused him to slow down, until they had overtaken him)...

Who wouldn't slow down with a police car with lights flashing hurtling along the road in the middle of the night, behind you?

Get the facts right, compare the journey I took in trial conditions, against the journey Jeremy took in a real life situation...

[jim ignatowski]

So, where did Rivlin QC get his information from, and why not discuss this with Jeremy?

Hi Mike
Don't you understand?
In order to fit the evidence of the timing of the call from Jb to Julie, JB had to put his case on the basis that his call to the police was earlier than 03.36 !!!
I'm sure that you're not suggesting that WITHOUT INSTRUCTIONS FROM JB, Rivlin went on a frolic of his own?
So, will you accept three points:
1. JB's case at Trial was that he made the phone call to the police at 03.26
2. JB's current case is that he made that telephone call at 03.26
3. On the assumption that 1 and 2 are accepted, that constitutes JB having changed his case since the Trial
Jim