How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?

[lookout]

 Joking apart,and on a more serious note, what JM did puts her in the same category as Maxine Carr,except that Carr hadn't" known" beforehand that her boyfriend was going to commit murder. Carr was then imprisoned for perverting the course of justice for giving a false alibi,which JM tried to do when blaming MM. JM was either trying to " shield " Jeremy,or she'd still felt something for him and knew in her mind that he couldn't do such a thing.
JM's credibility would have suffered tremendously to those who read forums,etc such as this one,and she has to live with that.
Will JM ever admit one way or the other ? Truthfully ?
 It'll take a person of great strength to admit to their mistakes. In fact,at this late stage,it would be far easier,and certainly would have been before now,to tell the world " he's guilty "than to admit that he's where he is because of her. It would have shut everyone up. So why doesn't she ? JM's the only one that'll know,besides himself, if he committed the crime or not,having professed to have known him well.

Her family will be of an age to now know what goes on and doubtless will have the internet. There'd have been questions asked,school pupils to contend with,etc etc,the case goes beyond the fact that it happened all those years ago and because of uncertainties which have arisen,it'll never go away.

[Jane]

I can't imagine that Jeremy would have been taken for a ride in this way. Who's going to be daft enough to carry out a " plan ",knowing that a crime like this was going to result in spending the rest of your life in prison. ?
Neither Jeremy nor Julie " knew " this was going to happen and because Jeremy wrote the way he did as opposed to losing his temper,was far from an admission of his guilt. He probably thought that he was going to be left out in the cold altogether with his family gone and the only other person who'd been in his life the longest was Julie,who he thought would have believed that he was telling the truth.

Yes,I don't doubt that they'd BOTH made plans for the future and will have  BOTH spoken of the day when Jeremys' parents were too old to carry on,leaving BOTH Julie and Jeremy to run WHF,while his parents sought an easier and more relaxed life-style,possibly a swap to live at Goldhanger themselves.
But-------------not to end in this way.
 
I'm of the belief that as things unfolded the way they did,that it was purely coincidental that Jeremy had spoken about " killing his family " then sadly it did happen.
 Much the same as a passenger on the ill-fated, second Air Malaysia flight had posted a tweet to his pal to say " this is what I look like in case you don't see me again " ,until the worst happened. Did that poor passenger know what was going to happen so suddenly after the first tragedy ? I think not,or he wouldn't have boarded that flight,or would he ? These things don't happen because you will them to,as it IS a coincidence when you speak of something and it does happen,but it doesn't mean to say that you had anything to do with it.
Exactly the same goes for the murders at WHF. Because Jeremy may,or may not have spoken about such a thing,doesn't make him a murderer,nor is it meant as an auto-suggestive ploy for anyone else to carry them out.

As I've already stated,had Jeremy made such a remark,then the world and his wife would have got to know,beforehand,and a tragedy could have been averted. Particularly RWB having known,everyone in the area would have been aware,especially the police at that stage,as it was a" death threat ". Back then it would have been broadcast a lot more than it is today with threats of death being an everyday occurrence.
IF it had been said by Jeremy,then nobody took any notice which can only mean one thing,that he wasn't capable of carrying out his " threats ",which to my mind doesn't make him culpable.
Of the two of them,it was Sheila who protected Jeremy in their younger years.It was she who sorted the bullies out who mocked Jeremy on their way to school,so she was more than capable in her older years,coupled with problems, and drugs to block out her miserable life, to build up enough adrenaline to fight back,except that she couldn't have done it any other way than with the guns which were kept at the farm.

Lookout, you have labeled Jeremy EVERY kind of stupid, gullible, impressionable and naive. NOW it seems you can't believe he'd be taken for a ride OR be "daft enough to carry out a plan" that might result in him doing a life sentence. You can't have it all ways.

[lookout]

Lookout, you have labeled Jeremy EVERY kind of stupid, gullible, impressionable and naive. NOW it seems you can't believe he'd be taken for a ride OR be "daft enough to carry out a plan" that might result in him doing a life sentence. You can't have it all ways.

It just goes to show how stupid he really was. If he was gormless to start with,he'd have remained so whether or not.

[lookout]

 I would say,for the most part about Julie,that EP used her to their own advantage.

[Caroline]

I can't imagine that Jeremy would have been taken for a ride in this way. Who's going to be daft enough to carry out a " plan ",knowing that a crime like this was going to result in spending the rest of your life in prison. ?

It just goes to show how stupid he really was. If he was gormless to start with,he'd have remained so whether or not.

 

[Steve_uk]

Joking apart,and on a more serious note, what JM did puts her in the same category as Maxine Carr,except that Carr hadn't" known" beforehand that her boyfriend was going to commit murder. Carr was then imprisoned for perverting the course of justice for giving a false alibi,which JM tried to do when blaming MM. JM was either trying to " shield " Jeremy,or she'd still felt something for him and knew in her mind that he couldn't do such a thing.
JM's credibility would have suffered tremendously to those who read forums,etc such as this one,and she has to live with that.
Will JM ever admit one way or the other ? Truthfully ?
 It'll take a person of great strength to admit to their mistakes. In fact,at this late stage,it would be far easier,and certainly would have been before now,to tell the world " he's guilty "than to admit that he's where he is because of her. It would have shut everyone up. So why doesn't she ? JM's the only one that'll know,besides himself, if he committed the crime or not,having professed to have known him well.

Her family will be of an age to now know what goes on and doubtless will have the internet. There'd have been questions asked,school pupils to contend with,etc etc,the case goes beyond the fact that it happened all those years ago and because of uncertainties which have arisen,it'll never go away.

But Julie's first statement was the one where she attempted to shield Jeremy with a cover-up. Admittedly now it looks like a stalemate with neither Julie nor Jeremy blinking first.

[Mr. Gee]

But Julie's first statement was the one where she attempted to shield Jeremy with a cover-up. Admittedly now it looks like a stalemate with neither Julie nor Jeremy blinking first.

How did she shield him Steve?

[lookout]

How did she shield him Steve?

More to the point-------why ?

[Caroline]

How did she shield him Steve?

Because initially, she backed his story.

[lookout]

Because initially, she backed his story.

Why ?

[Mr. Gee]

Because initially, she backed his story.

What alibi did she give him Caroline?

[Caroline]

What alibi did she give him Caroline?

She didn't (and couldn't) but she backed up the notion of the call from Nevill and that was Jeremy's alibi.

[lookout]

She didn't (and couldn't) but she backed up the notion of the call from Nevill and that was Jeremy's alibi.

She was the only one among thousands who believed that one. Still puzzling.

[lookout]

Information had been suppressed in order for JM to act for the prosecution ( and act,she did ) as during the hearing it had been claimed that she'd sold her story to the NOTW before the trial and not after.

JM has a lot to answer for,methinks.

[Steve_uk]

How did she shield him Steve?

She shielded him by not making reference to his desire to want to kill his family.http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1932