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Offline lookout

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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #105 on: January 15, 2015, 11:26:AM »
There are also a lot of assuptions that get weaved in as fact - the panic button, the monestery, EP posing bodies etc.




All of which are either in books or on links which are copied. Doesn't say much for the rest of the information that's given in whatever form,as it's mainly spin given in whatever direction,guilty or innocent.
Why are we hear if the investigation was done by the book ? Worse still,why a red forum when those who are on it say that the guy's guilty with the appropriate prison sentence ? Now that's illogical.

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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #106 on: January 15, 2015, 11:39:AM »



All of which are either in books or on links which are copied. Doesn't say much for the rest of the information that's given in whatever form,as it's mainly spin given in whatever direction,guilty or innocent.
Why are we hear if the investigation was done by the book ? Worse still,why a red forum when those who are on it say that the guy's guilty with the appropriate prison sentence ? Now that's illogical.

The examples I gave have been perpetuated here, not from outside sources. I can't speak for the Red Forum but I think we should ALL (guilty or innocent supporters) be interested in dispelling myths because perpetuationg them doesn't help anyone - least of all Jeremy.
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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #107 on: January 15, 2015, 12:26:PM »
It's an old article, when that was written in 2012 (Republished from the Winnipeg Free Press print edition April 19, 2012 A9) Simon McKay was still his solicitor.

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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #108 on: January 15, 2015, 12:42:PM »
Jeremy's team wanted to question JM about the contract that she had with the NOTW. As I understood it,Jeremy's solicitor did not have the contract to hand as evidence and so therefore the Judge ruled that JM could not be questioned/cross examined on the issue so therefore she did not have to take the stand after all. I'm certain that NGB could explain it all better when he is next on the forum.

JM returned to England for the 2002 appeal because the Court of Appeal had given leave for her to be cross examined about the NoW contract.  The defence had information that the contract had in fact been concluded before the trial and that JM had therefore lied when she gave assurances during the trial that she had not concluded any deal with the press and had no intention of doing so.  The defence had information that a copy of the contract itself was held by the solicitor who had acted for JM.  The defence applied to the Court of Appeal for an order requiring the solicitor to produce the document.  This application was refused.  On her arrival in England JM provided a statement to the prosecution (it is posted here) in which she said she could not remember when the contract had been agreed with the NoW.  Faced with the refusal of the application the defence would not have been able to challenge JM upon the basis of having proof on the basis of the document itself.  There was therefore no benefit in cross examining her.

I do understand that more recently a copy of the contract, or at least a letter from the NoW referring to it, has been obtained.  If there is a referral to the Court of Appeal I am sure there will be a further application for JM to be called for cross examination.  That was certainly the intention of Simon McKay.  He wanted to cross examine her in relation to the NoW contract, the circumstances in which she was initially interviewed and handled by the police, and the circumstances surrounding the deal with the bank not to prosecute her for fraud.

 
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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #109 on: January 15, 2015, 12:53:PM »
quite right too.Thanks NGB

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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #110 on: January 15, 2015, 01:25:PM »
JM returned to England for the 2002 appeal because the Court of Appeal had given leave for her to be cross examined about the NoW contract.  The defence had information that the contracty had in fact been concluded before the trial and that JM had therefore lied when she gave assurances during the trial that she had not concluded any deal with the press and had no intention of doing so.  The defence had information that a copy of the contract itself was held by the solicitor who had acted for JM.  The defence applied to the Court of Appeal for an order requiring the solicitor to produce the document.  This application was refused.  On her arrival in England JM provided a statement to the prosecution (it is posted here) in which she said she could not remember when the contract had been agreed with the NoW.  Faced with the refusal of the application the defence would not have been able to challenge JM upon the basis of having proof on the basis of the document itself.  There was therefore no benefit in cross examining her.

I do understand that more recently a copy of the contract, or at least a letter from the NoW referring to it, has been obtained.  If there is a referral to the Court of Appeal I am sure there will be a further application for JM to be called for cross examination.  That was certainly the intention of Simon McKay.  He wanted to cross examine her in relation to the NoW contract, the circumstances in which she was initially interviewed and handled by the police, and the circumstances surrounding the deal with the bank not to prosecute her for fraud.

 
Ngb do we have the name of the judge who refused the application for the contract. For these men should not be above the law themselves.
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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #111 on: January 15, 2015, 01:32:PM »



All of which are either in books or on links which are copied. Doesn't say much for the rest of the information that's given in whatever form,as it's mainly spin given in whatever direction,guilty or innocent.
Why are we hear if the investigation was done by the book ? Worse still,why a red forum when those who are on it say that the guy's guilty with the appropriate prison sentence ? Now that's illogical.


Lookout, I've only read Colin's and Wilkes' books but I feel certain that apart from Colin saying something incredible about a robin, NEITHER of them gave any information regarding the Monastery, a panic button or sexual positioning of bodies. It seems highly likely such myths had their inception on THIS forum.

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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #112 on: January 15, 2015, 01:39:PM »
Hello ngb thanks for that information on JM very interesting.  I guess she would buckle under intensive questioning by the Defence lets hope it happens.

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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #113 on: January 15, 2015, 03:42:PM »
The only one who wouldn't be afraid of giving evidence again,is Jeremy.

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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #114 on: January 15, 2015, 03:54:PM »
Ngb do we have the name of the judge who refused the application for the contract. For these men should not be above the law themselves.

Grahame - I am not sure if the application was heard by a single judge in advance of the appeal, or by the full court of three judges at the appeal itself. 

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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #115 on: January 15, 2015, 04:00:PM »
Grahame - I am not sure if the application was heard by a single judge in advance of the appeal, or by the full court of three judges at the appeal itself.
It would just be a good thing if we knew the reason for the denial of the application.

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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #116 on: January 15, 2015, 06:02:PM »
JM never went to the police, her friend did.

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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #117 on: January 15, 2015, 06:12:PM »
JM never went to the police, her friend did.


Buddy, It's really good to hear a NEW voice :) and you're correct but it wouldn't have been difficult to organize. Lay the transgression on with a trowel to the point where someone else is so incensed they'll do the job on someone else's behalf. I'm not saying this IS how it happened but it IS a possibility.

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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #118 on: January 15, 2015, 06:18:PM »
JM never went to the police, her friend did.
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Re: How would you greet Julie Mugford on her return visit to England?
« Reply #119 on: January 15, 2015, 06:49:PM »
JM never went to the police, her friend did.

Liz Rimminton rang Stan Jones after Julie told her what Bamber had said. Where was Julie ? In the same room.
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