Re: Adoption Debate

[susan]

Morning N/N  I have heard it said that women tend to pick a  husband most like their Father my husband would be horrified if he heard me saying that 

[killingeve]

Morning N/N  I have heard it said that women tend to pick a  husband most like their Father my husband would be horrified if he heard me saying that 

  Morning Susan well I've never had any man probs and I think that is probably a reflection on my adoptive father as a man and the relationship we had 

[susan]

Hi N/N  first sign of madness talking to yourself   Quite often IMO girls have a closer relationship with their Dad and boys with their Mother irrespective of whether they are adopted or not.

[Lugg]

Hi N/N  first sign of madness talking to yourself   Quite often IMO girls have a closer relationship with their Dad and boys with their Mother irrespective of whether they are adopted or not.

I think the first sign of madness is talking to no one.

[Jane]

Good morning April

We are of course speculating but based on Colin's book it appears that the June/Nevill marriage was on equal terms or if anthing June having the upper hand ie I don't see June as the 'little woman/wife' deferring to her husband/Nevill.  According to the book Sheila never understood why Nevill remained with June and didn't leave.  I don't have the book to hand at the moment but I think after the nude sunbathing incident when Colin and Sheila decided to leave WHF together, which was not the original plan, Sheila shouted out to Colin in front of her parents "Why does he stay with her" 

Could it be that June was more like her mother, Mabel Speakman, who when told of the tragedy sat bolt upright in bed and said "That'll be the Devil at work"?  Perhaps Pamela was more like her father Leslie Speakman who appears to have been a kinder/softer person ie making a fuss of Jeremy and buying him bottles of fizzy pop?  We will never know can only put our own interpretation on these matters 

Just an afterthought perhaps that's why June was attracted to Nevill ie he remined her of her father, Leslie Speakman.

Well within the realms of possibility, NaNu.

[susan]

Lugg that is one thing that I can never be accused of

[killingeve]

Hi N/N  first sign of madness talking to yourself   Quite often IMO girls have a closer relationship with their Dad and boys with their Mother irrespective of whether they are adopted or not.

Hi Susan how could you do this to me?  You mean to say I can't blame it on adoption    Yes I agree I see it in my own family.  Also my brother was much closer to my adoptive mother than I was.  I remember once rooting aound in my mum's bedroom and I found all these cards my brother had made for her.  There was only one from me    Mind you I was hopeless at art and craft type things but even if I hadn't I doubt I would have bothered. 

I had 3 boyfriends who were adopted (not all literally Lookout  ) and they were all very fond of their mums.

[Jane]

Hi Susan how could you do this to me?  You mean to say I can't blame it on adoption    Yes I agree I see it in my own family.  Also my brother was much closer to my adoptive mother than I was.  I remember once rooting aound in my mum's bedroom and I found all these cards my brother had made for her.  There was only one from me    Mind you I was hopeless at art and craft type things but even if I hadn't I doubt I would have bothered. 

I had 3 boyfriends who were adopted (not all literally Lookout  ) and they were all very fond of their mums.

Oedipus/Electra complex

[killingeve]

Oedipus/Electra complex

Yes quite probably 

I spent ages studying that in the 80's, reading and rereading, still to this day I don't know what to make of it     Everything else I could get but I found most aspects of Freud difficult.  Along with the stats of course.  You once posted that you thought he might have been dominated by his mother...sounds a more rational explanation 

[susan]

Hello april have we two blue maggie's on the forum or am I seeing double

[Jane]

Yes quite probably 

I spent ages studying that in the 80's, reading and rereading, still to this day I don't know what to make of it     Everything else I could get but I found most aspects of Freud difficult.  Along with the stats of course.  You once posted that you thought he might have been dominated by his mother...sounds a more rational explanation 

Well, if I may, for a moment, be allowed free rein, I think it possible that "The Big Daddy" was a chauvinistic misogynist who was terrified of women. He seemed to think that world problems began and ended in female genitals, hysteria rooted in the womb and nymphomania, a sectionable disease, totally unsperm related, the reason for illegitimate birth. I can only imagine he came to this conclusion because of female domination. HOWEVER, despite mocking some of his beliefs, I truly feel we have much to thank him for. His theories became the wall off which everything else could be bounced. When he moved his thinking from genitals to brain he did pioneered wonderful work with post traumatic stress disorder. His methods may seem archaic now, but they probably prevented many being being branded as cowards.

[maggie]

Hello april have we two blue maggie's on the forum or am I seeing double

Hi Susie
I am a split topic, it seems, maybe it's all the babysitting........I'm slowly disintegrating

[Jane]

Hello april have we two blue maggie's on the forum or am I seeing double

Susan dear, please explain :D

[maggie]

Well, if I may, for a moment, be allowed free rein, I think it possible that "The Big Daddy" was a chauvinistic misogynist who was terrified of women. He seemed to think that world problems began and ended in female genitals, hysteria rooted in the womb and nymphomania, a sectionable disease, totally unsperm related, the reason for illegitimate birth. I can only imagine he came to this conclusion because of female domination. HOWEVER, despite mocking some of his beliefs, I truly feel we have much to thank him for. His theories became the wall off which everything else could be bounced. When he moved his thinking from genitals to brain he did pioneered wonderful work with post traumatic stress disorder. His methods may seem archaic now, but they probably prevented many being being branded as cowards.

That must have saved many lives, April.  Execution of PTS sufferers in the I WW was shameful.

[maggie]

Susan dear, please explain :D

April, I logged off and then on, there is only one of me now which is probably more than enough for some