They denied seeing a figure at bedroom window, but forget about female body...

[mertol22]

It could be seen by many we are talking about a family member the shadow , is everyone that sure.

[mike tesko]

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[HMEssex]

It could be seen by many we are talking about a family member the shadow , is everyone that sure.

Mertol, we don't know WHO it was for sure, but it was 'someone'!!

[Reader]

The Police must have thought they were talking to someone (ie they saw movement etc), otherwise why did they bother with a loudspeaker?

If there had been no movement or sound, with whom were they trying to communicate?

Plus, if communication was so minimal, why would they have to ensure Jeremy's safety?

Movement (or possible movement) had been noticed before the raid team arrived. The lack of response to the loudhailer wasn't proof that Sheila wasn't alive, so they needed to be cautious and protect Jeremy. As I said, I'm surprised they didn't do more to protect themselves.

[mertol22]

There was no cause to protect jeremy as he should not have been there in the first place, where firearms are concerned you have to isolate the public, essex police still exist for the moment, perhaps they can explain if tactics are the same today.

[HMEssex]

There was no cause to protect jeremy as he should not have been there in the first place, where firearms are concerned you have to isolate the public, essex police still exist for the moment, perhaps they can explain if tactics are the same today.

Excellent post, Mertol!

[Patti]

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Hi Mike

I wish I had a pound for every time I have heard that those that kill in multiply think they are doing the world a favour, or that god had told them to do it.  If anyone gets the time to watch the series Born to Kill and Serial Killers, the above is said in almost every case. 

Someone killing under a delusion is not killing in the sense that we know it; their victims are objects and they can't relate to them as being living souls...In the said delusional state, they are helping them or helping the world, for god.  The fantasy could have been in their thoughts for a long time.  We all have them, but only the minority carry those fantasies out under a delusional episode. 

It is difficult to term the above as being someone that suffers from psychopathy....Where a mind is split they become two people, one of those two can be a dangerous one, one waiting to explode....

Sad! I know.   

[guest7363]

There was no cause to protect jeremy as he should not have been there in the first place, where firearms are concerned you have to isolate the public, essex police still exist for the moment, perhaps they can explain if tactics are the same today.

Hi Mertol, i watched Essex tactical firearms team in operation a few years back. It all went pear shape the public was not isolated, having said that, it was not intended to escolate into general public but it did and it could have been a lot lot worse?  Very very frightening when you are caught up in something like this.  I dont know what happened regarding the recap for the police but i do know they got a rap for it? I think the guy they were after got 4 years? I ended up having to change my under wear and take the rest of the day off?  Hope this helps.

[Patti]

Hi Mertol, i watched Essex tactical firearms team in operation a few years back. It all went pear shape the public was not isolated, having said that, it was not intended to escolate into general public but it did and it could have been a lot lot worse?  Very very frightening when you are caught up in something like this.  I dont know what happened regarding the recap for the police but i do know they got a rap for it? I think the guy they were after got 4 years? I ended up having to change my under wear and take the rest of the day off?  Hope this helps.

Why did you take your underwear off Ralf......Love the pooch btw...

[guest7363]

Why did you take your underwear off Ralf......Love the pooch btw...

Patti you must have heard the expression from our neck of the woods when you have been really frightened lol?

[Patti]

Patti you must have heard the expression from our neck of the woods when you have been really frightened lol?

Lol.........................

[susan]

Hello Patti

are you all awake if not wake up I am lonely.  Patti hope I am not going off topic again but do you believe that Peter Sutcliffe heard voices that told him to do what he did.  I don't.

[susan]

yes susan you are off topic but we will forgive you as we always do and will answer your question when we can be bothered go and have a rest or talk to the cat

[maggie]

yes susan you are off topic but we will forgive you as we always do and will answer your question when we can be bothered go and have a rest or talk to the cat

Hi Susie, am not sure about Peter Sutcliffe.  I think I read somewhere that it was believed he claimed to have heard voices so he could be considered insane.  Anyone who did what he did is never normal anyway, surely?

[susan]

Maggie so nice to know one of you is paying attention usually when I go off topic I get lots of attention.  I agree Peter Sutcliffe did not hear voices from God to kill evil women as he would not have been aroused sexually if that had been the  case.  He was I feel inadequate in that department and that was the only way he could get sexual gratification.  You may return to your deckchair on your patio now and read your romantic novel