They denied seeing a figure at bedroom window, but forget about female body...

[mike tesko]

They denied seeing a figure at bedroom window, but forget about female body...

PS Bews, and PC Myall, were in the grounds of the farmhouse, in the company of Jeremy Bamber (doing a recce), when they all saw what appeared to be a figure at the bedroom window - if this was true, then Jeremy could not have killed everyone inside the farmhouse, and stage managed his sisters body there in the bedroom, to make it look like she had taken her own life after killing everyone. Police have since gone on record as saying, it was a trick of light which panicked them, there was no-one alive inside the farmhouse at that time, because Jeremy had already killed everyone of them, before leaving the scene, and calling the police...

Ok, these two police officers get away with introducing a poxy explanation, but in so doing they have to conceal the contents of radio messages, passed from the scene upon immediately returning to the patrol car to give a situation report, about what they had just witnessed, and making a request for the firearms team to be sent out. So, if we are to believe all that bullshit, the firearms team are summoned to the scene because of a trick of light - oh well, you can choose to believe whatever you want to believe, regarding that nonsense...

[mike tesko]

They denied seeing a figure at bedroom window, but forget about female body...

PS Bews, and PC Myall, were in the grounds of the farmhouse, in the company of Jeremy Bamber (doing a recce), when they all saw what appeared to be a figure at the bedroom window - if this was true, then Jeremy could not have killed everyone inside the farmhouse, and stage managed his sisters body there in the bedroom, to make it look like she had taken her own life after killing everyone. Police have since gone on record as saying, it was a trick of light which panicked them, there was no-one alive inside the farmhouse at that time, because Jeremy had already killed everyone of them, before leaving the scene, and calling the police...

Ok, these two police officers get away with introducing a poxy explanation, but in so doing they have to conceal the contents of radio messages, passed from the scene upon immediately returning to the patrol car to give a situation report, about what they had just witnessed, and making a request for the firearms team to be sent out. So, if we are to believe all that bullshit, the firearms team are summoned to the scene because of a trick of light - oh well, you can choose to believe whatever you want to believe, regarding that nonsense...

Putting this matter to one side for the moment, we then move on to the contents of radio messages passed from the scene by the occupants of CA07 (Bews, Myall and saxby) to the control room, regarding the discovery of two bodies in the kitchen downstairs upon entry to the premises at 7:38am...

[mike tesko]

By 7:45am, the control had been contacted about two bodies found at the scene, one a murder, the other a suicide - so, the occupnats of CA07 must have relayed that information to the control room, because they were the link between those at the scene, and those back in the control room...

[mike tesko]

By 8:10am, a shout went out from the scene, that a further three bodies had been found upstairs, making five dead in total...

[mike tesko]

By 8:10am, a shout went out from the scene, that a further three bodies had been found upstairs, making five dead in total...

By this stage, police had not told Jeremy that all his family inside whf, were in fact all dead...

[mike tesko]

What the police do, is they wait until about 9:30am, before telling Jeremy that he has no family left alive, and that they have all been found dead when police went into the premises...

[mike tesko]

What the police do, is they wait until about 9:30am, before telling Jeremy that he has no family left alive, and that they have all been found dead when police went into the premises...

By this stage (9:30am) it is almost two hours since police reported that they had found two bodies in the kitchen upon entry, one of the bodies had been a dead male, and the other body a dead female...

It had been an hour and 20 minutes since police reported that they had found another three bodies upstairs (8:10am), and when Jeremy is told of the deaths at about 9:30am, he makes a complaint to PS Saxby (CA07), to the effect that he thinks the police shot and killed all his family when they entered the farmhouse, and Saxby does not seem concerned enough to reportb what Jeremy complained to him about, to senior officers dealing with the investigation?

OK, perhaps the occupants of CA07 did not know at that stage (9;30am), that one of the female bodies had been displaced from the kitchen downstairs, to the main bedroom upstairs, but later on, once this became clear, then why shouldn't PS Saxby give some serious thought to what Jeremy had complained to him about, earlier? Why didn't any of the occupants of CA07, and others back in the control room, who overheard the reports of a female body and a male body having been found downstiars in the kitchen by 7:38am, question the position and distribution of the bodies inside the premises as of 7:38am and 8:10am, as opposed to later when the distribution of bodies had altered significantly, from a ratio of two downstairs, and three upstairs, by 8:10am, to one downstairs, and four upstairs, by about 9:30am?

[mike tesko]

Suddenly, it seems, Jeremy bamber has all these police witnesses who can testify that Sgeuila was not dead when police got into the kitchen, although it had been reported that she was, and that by 8:10am, there had been, or was only three bodies upstairs in the bedrooms, not four? With all these police officers on hand to testify to this effect, how was it possible for Jeremy to be convicted of murdering his sister in the bedroom, and with stage managing her body, to make it appear like she had taken her own life, after shooting dead, all the other four victims...

[Steve_uk]

In the midst of all this,of course is the sequence of telephone calls to Julie,which the Defence do not like to discuss. Why should Jeremy be insisting that Julie come down to Essex and not go to work around 7:00am if he has no knowledge of any tragedy inside the farmhouse?

[mike tesko]

Since, it was the occupants of CA07 who relayed all of this information from the scene to the control room, Bews, Myall and Saxby must have all known that Jeremy Bamber could not have shot dead his sister in the main bedroom, or stage managed her body there to make out a case for her suicide after she had shot and killed the others...

So what do they do, once Jeremy is arrested, charged and stands trial - they introduce a story about a trick of light that panicked them all at the scene, into dashing from the grounds, and going back to the patrol car, and passing a situation report back to the control room, and making a request for firearms officers to be deployed to the scene, based upon a trick of light sighting. I can picture it now in my minds eye, "Please send out the firearms team, because we have just witnessed a trick of light, at the bedroom window, and we are terrified"...

[maggie]

In the midst of all this,of course is the sequence of telephone calls to Julie,which the Defence do not like to discuss. Why should Jeremy be insisting that Julie come down to Essex and not go to work around 7:00am if he has no knowledge of any tragedy inside the farmhouse?

Steve, I am pretty sure I read somewhere on the forum that the police asked him if he had any relatives close by or anyone he could phone, someone to be with him.  I think it was said the idea was to get him off the farm when they broke the door down.  Julie would have been his obvious, only choice and  he was taken to a phone box in the village by the police.  Can't remember where I read it but will search when I have time, unless someone else knows??

[mike tesko]

We fast forward to the back end of September 1985, with Jeremy arrested at Dover, taken back to Essex police station, and charged with the five murders, including the murder of his sister, Sheila...

By this stage...

The occupnats of CA07 (Bews, Myall and saxby) must have all known that there had been a displacement of a female body in the body count at the scene, after 8:10am, and before 9:30am. The same can be said for every police offocer and civilian worker present in the control room, or elsewhere who overheard the radio mesaages being relayed from the scene back to the control room, that two bodies had been found upon entry to the premises, one a dead male, and the other a dead female, one a murder, and the other a suicide...

So, I pose this question...

Why was Jeremy Bamber charged with the murders of either June Bamber, or Sheila Caffell, or both?

[Jane]

Steve, I am pretty sure I read somewhere on the forum that the police asked him if he had any relatives close by or anyone he could phone, someone to be with him.  I think it was said the idea was to get him off the farm when they broke the door down.  Julie would have been his obvious, only choice and  he was taken to a phone box in the village by the police.  Can't remember where I read it but will search when I have time, unless someone else knows??

Maggie, I believe it to be as you say. I also believe that if the police ask you if there is anyone you would like to be with you, you may rest assured that the situation is ominous.

[mike tesko]

We fast forward to the back end of September 1985, with Jeremy arrested at Dover, taken back to Essex police station, and charged with the five murders, including the murder of his sister, Sheila...

By this stage...

The occupnats of CA07 (Bews, Myall and saxby) must have all known that there had been a displacement of a female body in the body count at the scene, after 8:10am, and before 9:30am. The same can be said for every police offocer and civilian worker present in the control room, or elsewhere who overheard the radio mesaages being relayed from the scene back to the control room, that two bodies had been found upon entry to the premises, one a dead male, and the other a dead female, one a murder, and the other a suicide...

So, I pose this question...

Why was Jeremy Bamber charged with the murders of either June Bamber, or Sheila Caffell, or both?

OK...

Lets give all these honorable police officers and civilian workers who all must have overheard and witnessed what was being said by the occupants of CA07, to the control room,  between 7:38am, and 8:10am, and say that as of the back end of September 1985, they might not by that stage have known there had been any displacement of a female body from downstairs to upstairs, but that situation would change once the trial got under way in October 1986. During the trial it became public knowlege that police were now saying that they only found one body downstairs, and four bodies upstairs, when the raid team set foot for the first time inside the premises, and so here was an opportunity for all those honorable police officers, and civilians, to come and do their public duty, and speak out in favour of the accused man, Jeremy Bamber...

Sadly, none of them volunteered  to assist the defence, they left Jeremy to his fate, when anyone of them, individually or collectively ,could have put a stop to the case at a moments notice, but none of them came forward to speak out - they all did the dishonorable thing, and they let an innocent man, stand trial for these murders in the knowlege that he could not possibly have shot his sister dead in the main bedroom, and he could not have stage managed her body there, because police had found Sheila alive ,downstairs in the kitchen, and that she had been shot after they entered the premises, not beforehand...

[mike tesko]

Once you know that the occupants of CA07 reported the facts to the control room, and that there were police officers and civilain workers present there in the control room, who overheard what was happening at the scene, and that two bodies had been found upon entry, one dead male, and a dead female, one a murder, and the other a suicide, it kind of helps to expose the myth about the silencer evidence, and puts all the inconsistencies, irregularities and contradictory nature of the silencer evidence, with its three different exhibit references of SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1, into perspective. Since, if police originally found Sheila in the kitchen, and she was not shot and killed until afterwards, the silencer evidence containing the blood and paint is bogus, a red herring, total nonsense, just a mere prop that helped the prosecution to convict Jeremy Bamber, for these five murders that he could not possibly have committed, at all...