Julie's allegation of a hitman

[Jane]

No I think she fell in love before she knew Jeremy's background. She subsequently turned down an offer of a flat by June. She was a Young Urban Professional like many of us at the time and has made a good account of herself in Canada however sour that fact makes some members here.

No Steve. Julie would have sensed from the word GO that Jeremy wasn't a run of the mill callow youth. His background and education would have made him stand out from the crowd and what's more, if Jeremy fancied her, he would have made damn sure she knew it. It would have been part of his pulling power and he would have used it to good effect. I feel perfectly confident that Canada was never in her life plan. That would have been to become Mrs Bamber.

[Jane]

lookout

exactly my thoughts about Julie and Diana but hardly dare say

Gracious heavens, Susan. I wasn't for a moment suggesting that Julie and Diana were alike. Only that as Diana had never known Charles NOT to be PoW, Julie never Knew Jeremy without money.

[susan]

My dear april I did not think for one moment you were suggesting such a thing but think somebody else may have been making a comparison with love conquers everything.

[Caroline R]

That's not how it worked out. Jeremy begged Julie to return to Goldhanger during the trip to Pevensy,but they really didn't have so much time alone together after the murders as Brett Collins was in the picture though I'm unsure as to his role. If Jeremy was determined to dump Julie why was she invited into the Maida Vale flat at all,and why did Jeremy feel obliged to lug a settee to Julie's new digs at Hither Green?

To get rid of her! You're obsessed with that Maida Vale flat!!

[killingeve]

I understand it too Alias.  Attitudes changed drastically in the 1980s.  Single parents became acceptable, words such as illegitimate and loose woman disappeared from acceptable  vocabularly and we became far more liberal as a nation. 
June and Neville as pillars of the church and farmers from rural England were no doubt behind the times and most probably held on to the morals of pre liberation England ie 1950s.  It's hardly surprising that they found Julie blatantly living with Jeremy a little difficult to deal with.  It was simply not what their class did!!

Hi Maggie

I do not think you can lump June and Nevill together in their attitude towards their adopted childrens' burgeoning sexuality.

It was June who referred to Sheila as the "Devil's child" for finding Sheila in a compromising position with a man 

It was June who chastised Sheila for sunbathing naked in the fields with Colin 

It was June who denied Sheila a 'traditional' wedding due to her status as a non-virgin 

It was June who objected to Jeremy living with Suzette Ford a woman separated from her husband 

It was June who referred to Julie as a "harlot" for partly living with Jeremy at his cottage 

This might also be indicative of how Sheila's unplanned pregnancies came about ie June's inability to discuss with her adopted daughter sexual relationships and contraception 

It is well documented that some adoptive parents have ambivalent feelings towards their adopted childrens' burgeoning sexuality and impending emancipation.

Please refer to the attached under the 'Loss' section:

http://www.fairfamilies.org/2012/1999/99LifelongIssues.htm

I accept that June may simply have been rather conservative with regard to the above but there's also the possibility that consciously or sub consciously something else was going on 

[Lugg]

Hi Maggie

I do not think you can lump June and Nevill together in their attitude towards their adopted childrens' burgeoning sexuality.

It was June who referred to Sheila as the "Devil's child" for finding Sheila in a compromising position with a man 

It was June who chastised Sheila for sunbathing naked in the fields with Colin 

It was June who denied Sheila a 'traditional' wedding due to her status as a non-virgin 

It was June who objected to Jeremy living with Suzette Ford a woman separated from her husband 

It was June who referred to Julie as a "harlot" for partly living with Jeremy at his cottage 

This might also be indicative of how Sheila's unplanned pregnancies came about ie June's inability to discuss with her adopted daughter sexual relationships and contraception 

It is well documented that some adoptive parents have ambivalent feelings towards their adopted childrens' burgeoning sexuality and impending emancipation.

Please refer to the attached under the 'Loss' section:

http://www.fairfamilies.org/2012/1999/99LifelongIssues.htm

I accept that June may simply have been rather conservative with regard to the above but there's also the possibility that consciously or sub consciously something else was going on 

Quite frankly I shouldn't think that had anything to do with Sheila being adopted. It's the kind of reaction you'd get from any Christian mother who has tried to bring her children up in the Christian faith. I can name several people with similar views to Junes whose children are their own. I personally would have reacted in the same shocked way if I too caught my daughter in such compromising positions. It wouldn't mean that I was mentally unstable or have some kind of grudge against my daughter. But any parent with high moral values such as June's would see their daughter as in rebellion against all that her mother had tried to teach her daughter. Nothing unusual at that at all.
Unfortunately we are only seeing this thing through one pair of biased eyes. Those of Colin Caffells, whose own moral standards could also be called into question, especially with regard to the treatment of his wife and his unfaithfulness towards her.

[killingeve]

Quite frankly I shouldn't think that had anything to do with Sheila being adopted. It's the kind of reaction you'd get from any Christian mother who has tried to bring her children up in the Christian faith. I can name several people with similar views to Junes whose children are theire own. I personally would have reacted in the same shocked way if I too caught my daughter in such compromising positions. It wouldn't mean that I was mentally unstable or have some kind of grudge against my daughter. But any parent with high moral values such as June's would see their daughter as in rebellion aghainst all that her mother had tried to teach her daughter. Nothing unusual at that at all.
Unfortunately we are only seeing this thing through one pair of biased eyes. Those of Colin Caffells, whose own moral standards could also be called into question, especially with regard to the treatment of his wife and his unfaithfulness towards her.

Yeah ok Lugg I get it 

[Lugg]

Yeah ok Lugg I get it 

Get what NN?

[killingeve]

Quite frankly I shouldn't think that had anything to do with Sheila being adopted. It's the kind of reaction you'd get from any Christian mother who has tried to bring her children up in the Christian faith. I can name several people with similar views to Junes whose children are their own. I personally would have reacted in the same shocked way if I too caught my daughter in such compromising positions. It wouldn't mean that I was mentally unstable or have some kind of grudge against my daughter. But any parent with high moral values such as June's would see their daughter as in rebellion against all that her mother had tried to teach her daughter. Nothing unusual at that at all.
Unfortunately we are only seeing this thing through one pair of biased eyes. Those of Colin Caffells, whose own moral standards could also be called into question, especially with regard to the treatment of his wife and his unfaithfulness towards her.

Hi Lugg

Sexual morality is obviously highly subjective.  I have not seen any evidence showing that Sheila or Jeremy were promiscuous ie putting themselves or others at risk of physical or mental harm.  As far as I can see their lifestyles were entirely in keeping with their age and the era.  This may not have suited June's views.  However I'm sure you will appreciate as a parent that a degree of tolerance is required in these matters.  There was no point in June thinking about a bygone era where young people remained virgins until marriage  I am sure this view will be unpopular with some but I believe June instead of seeing the actions of her adopted children as entirely normal saw it as a 'bad blood' thing ie they had uncontrollable sexual appetites like those of their birth parents (rubbish of course) and that these required controlling.  My previous posts on this matter provide links to support my claims.