Jeremy says, HorseyDave did not work at whf, and there was no gun cabinet

[Alex]

So suddenly horseydave might not be a fake then? 

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Depends which parts of what he is talking about, are true or not, in my opinion...

Yes, that's what I think too.  It crossed my mind that perhaps, being a tenant of or having some sort of business relationship with the family, somebody or other, after seeing that thread, got in contact with him to stir things up.

[VORTEX]

Horseydave was clear in his posts that he came to the farm a few days after the murders and worked  for a period of approx 14 weeks - thats IF we believe a word of what he said! He seemed to have a very hidden agenda OR someone worked out who he was and gave him a hard time. I'm not totally sure what happened last weekend as I was around but appeared to have missed the major fall out of Horseydave? I was a bit confused why he was getting so personal with Mike T.

[Reader]

I took advice on this matter in 2003 / 2004, and it appears that the gun cupboard under the stairs in the den (downstairs office) was sufficient to allow Ralph Bamber, and Anthony Pargeter to store their guns there, in accordance with Essex police firearms policy...

How come? The cupboard didn't even have a lock. How was Anthony Pargeter's rifle stored? In a cupboard in the toilet, just placed against the wall there, or what?

[mike tesko]

I took advice on this matter in 2003 / 2004, and it appears that the gun cupboard under the stairs in the den (downstairs office) was sufficient to allow Ralph Bamber, and Anthony Pargeter to store their guns there, in accordance with Essex police firearms policy...

How come? The cupboard didn't even have a lock. How was Anthony Pargeter's rifle stored? In a cupboard in the toilet, just placed against the wall there, or what?

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Firearms law and control was more relaxed in 1985, than it is today..

[Reader]

That doesn't tell me how Pargeter's rifle was stored in the toilet. Can you provide a link to the regulations in force in 1985 that you are alluding to or are you saying they make no mention of storing weapons securely?

[mike tesko]

That doesn't tell me how Pargeter's rifle was stored in the toilet. Can you provide a link to the regulations in force in 1985 that you are alluding to or are you saying they make no mention of storing weapons securely?

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read Anthony Pargeters witness statement, about where he kept his weapons, accessories, and bullets...

[Kaldin]

That doesn't tell me how Pargeter's rifle was stored in the toilet. Can you provide a link to the regulations in force in 1985 that you are alluding to or are you saying they make no mention of storing weapons securely?

I think the Firearms Act of 1968 would apply. Firearms had to be kept in a locked cabinet and ammunition had to be stored separately in a locked cabinet (I think).

[Reader]

And you agree that the understairs cupboard in the office had no lock?

Gun Cabinet referred to by others, was a reference to Anthony Pargeter's gun cabinet, which Jeremy told me was kept in the downstairs toilet at the scene, into which all Pargeters weapons, and ammunitions were usually kept...

If Jeremy told you that Pargeter had his own cabinet, how come you're now stating that there was no cabinet? Where can I see Pargeter's statement?

[mike tesko]

And you agree that the understairs cupboard in the office had no lock?

Gun Cabinet referred to by others, was a reference to Anthony Pargeter's gun cabinet, which Jeremy told me was kept in the downstairs toilet at the scene, into which all Pargeters weapons, and ammunitions were usually kept...

If Jeremy told you that Pargeter had his own cabinet, how come you're now stating that there was no cabinet? Where can I see Pargeter's statement?

... Well, I may have misinterpreted what Jeremy told me, he said that Pargeter kept his guns and accessories, and ammo' in the downstairs toilet, if Pargeter had a gun cabinet, it was in that place, sorry...

[Reader]

Okay. When you next speak to Jeremy, perhaps you could ask him how Pargeter's rifle and ammunition were stored there. If there was no lockable gun cupboard or gun cabinet in the farmhouse, none of the weapons were stored securely, and none of the ammunition was stored securely or separately.

[Kaldin]

It sounds like a weird set up to me. There were guns in an unsecured cupboard under the stairs, another gun in the toilet which may or not have been in a cabinet (why would someone decide to store guns in a bathroom?) Then there was something about another gun being stored on the kitchen stairs - another odd place to store a gun in my opinion.

[mike tesko]

It sounds like a weird set up to me. There were guns in an unsecured cupboard under the stairs, another gun in the toilet which may or not have been in a cabinet (why would someone decide to store guns in a bathroom?) Then there was something about another gun being stored on the kitchen stairs - another odd place to store a gun in my opinion.

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Yes, and another shotgun upstairs, in the upstairs office...

[nugnug]

what ever happend to horsey dave.

[Alias]

what ever happend to horsey dave.

No idea. Can´t say he has been on my top-things-I-miss list - why did you think of him, nugnug?
(Nugs, sometimes when I type your name, I make a typo and write, nutnut! Of course I correct it!!! Just funny, makes me giggle, sounds sort of cute.  )

[nugnug]

oh its not the first time of been called that.