jeremy bamber poll

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline  

I agree with you I believe the relatives did think Jeremy was guilty, for they could not believe that Sheila being a female with two small children could have picked up a rifle and shot her entire family.  They thought she was  incapable...Lets not forget that they suffered in this tragedy too.     

It must have been very difficult for them to come to terms with what had happened.  AE wondered why Jeremy had survived from the onset. I suppose there were no love lost between them, but if you strongly think a person is guilty, then one can make the crime fit, no matter how you look at it.  One has to remember that the police themselves did not gather any evidence in his conviction.  Was it a massive oversight by them, if so it could be that they were negligent.  In any case they committed gross misconduct by destroying the evidence they did have in 1996 when an ongoing claim for innocence was being perused...

Its so easy to turn the tables after some of evidence was destroyed in the first 24 hours and the crime scene was neither protected or examined in the correct way. Thus, making it very difficult for forensics to have gathered any real evidence like hair or fibers, that put Jeremy in the main bedroom.  Its no use talking about what would have been done today....All the evidence was there, the fact is the police destroyed it. 

Out of the 38 people who are serving a whole life sentence, Bamber is the only one that says he is innocent....he well might be and it may be that a grave injustice has been done....

Thanks Patti, good post!! I agree 100%. Unfortunately you don't have to look too far to find other cases where an investigation has been pushed in a specific direction. To be fair, I imagine it's difficult to be completely unbiased during an investigation - it's when they take it too far that it becomes a problem and innocent people suffer.   

[guest154]

Hi Caroline  

I agree with you I believe the relatives did think Jeremy was guilty, for they could not believe that Sheila being a female with two small children could have picked up a rifle and shot her entire family.  They thought she was  incapable...Lets not forget that they suffered in this tragedy too.     

Hi, Patti. x

Although I agree with much or your post...... I do have to say that an argument could be made that they didn't beleive Sheila shot her family simply because they knew Sheila and not just because she was a female and Mother.

[susan]

Hi Patti

I agree I think the relatives did believe Jeremy to be guilty of the horrendous murders as they would not for one moment think Sheila capable even I now find this difficult to come to terms with as I know nothing about mental illness and therefore cannot imagine how she could have carried out these shootings.  The police at the onset thought 4 murders one suicide so evidence was not collected. The crime scene not protected then it seems one big muddle from then on.

[Bridget]

Fair enough. Then let me just add that 'your' interpretation of Denning's words are no more valid than mine. I wasn't 'trying' to say that police would cover up their mistakes, I'm saying they have done in the past! the are plenty of examples I don't understand why you are so surprised at the suggestion? I don't know if they did so in the Bamber case but if they did, I can only hope that one day the truth will be uncovered!

I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, or that I'm surprised by the suggestion that it does, I'm saying that Lord Denning's comments do not support the point you are making.

[Patti]

So do earthquakes, but I haven't felt one today. 

That's because you didn't see me to today....lol 

[Jane]

Apologies if this is the wrong place, but have just heard that a judge was surprised at the jury's lack of judicial understanding when they passed to him a list of 10 questions. The implication was that he had never realized there was such ignorance of basic law/cout procedure. Well, unless the questions had previously been asked, how WOULD he know? This rather backs up the debate which took place a few weeks back about how reliable is the average jury likely to be.

[-Harters-]

That's because you didn't see me to today....lol 

You have confidence issues!!! 

[Bridget]

Apologies if this is the wrong place, but have just heard that a judge was surprised at the jury's lack of judicial understanding when they passed to him a list of 10 questions. The implication was that he had never realized there was such ignorance of basic law/cout procedure. Well, unless the questions had previously been asked, how WOULD he know? This rather backs up the debate which took place a few weeks back about how reliable is the average jury likely to be.

Yes I've just heard a bit about that on the radio, I'll be interested to hear the full story. Apparently they asked him whether they were permitted to come to a decision based on factors which were not argued in court and for which accordingly no evidence was presented either way. He must have explained that in his original directions to them, and he did so again when they asked the question. Apparently they then sent him another note which resulted in him discharging them.

[Patti]

Thanks Patti, good post!! I agree 100%. Unfortunately you don't have to look too far to find other cases where an investigation has been pushed in a specific direction. To be fair, I imagine it's difficult to be completely unbiased during an investigation - it's when they take it too far that it becomes a problem and innocent people suffer.

Thank you Caroline.  The police have a difficult job, I am of course pro police, but they are not all the same. I have had two dealing with them in the last couple of years and neither did their jobs correctly.  It wasn't until I complained that something was done in the first case. The second case I actually told the policeman off, in a nice way of course. He phoned me a few days after to tell me that his boss had sanctioned the inquiry....It was too late, I had sorted it with CEOP.  I have great friends who are in the police force...but the structure of policing is based on too much paper work....and policy. 

Hi Patti

I agree I think the relatives did believe Jeremy to be guilty of the horrendous murders as they would not for one moment think Sheila capable even I now find this difficult to come to terms with as I know nothing about mental illness and therefore cannot imagine how she could have carried out these shootings.  The police at the onset thought 4 murders one suicide so evidence was not collected. The crime scene not protected then it seems one big muddle from then on.

Hi Susan   You are right they did not fully understand her illness, which was shame...   Many folk still don't understand....You are right, it was one big muddle....

Hi, Patti. x

Although I agree with much or your post...... I do have to say that an argument could be made that they didn't beleive Sheila shot her family simply because they knew Sheila and not just because she was a female and Mother.

Hi Mat   Maybe I was a tad unkind to say that...but on saying that I can't think of any other reason they would think she was incapable...sorry! 

[bigdave1975]

Hi everybody just awoke from the land of nod.

[susan]

Hi bigdave  glad you are alive and kicking and ready to go

[bigdave1975]

Hi pattii.hi everyone hi lugg .and i would also like to say tjax to bridget.

[Bridget]

Hi pattii.hi everyone hi lugg .and i would also like to say tjax to bridget.

tjax to you too.

[Patti]

Hi pattii.hi everyone hi lugg .and i would also like to say tjax to bridget.

Hi Dave, what does tjax mean?  Is our Bridget getting special treatment lol 

[bigdave1975]

Hi pattii.hi everyone hi lugg .and i would also like to say tjax to bridget.